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I dont get the no blood diamond business thing. They all come (mostly ) from the same place right? Africa. well they are all found the same way no? Its hard labor to find them....so im pretty sure every diamond is a blood diamond. (i have close family who worked in the diamond industry and told me they all come from the same place in the same way) the certificate ....well thats easy to make now isnt it....
I bought my ring for the gf from Antwerp, with this close family member, so he knew the value very well ....without receipt and without certificate and WELL below the retail value... several 1000's

both told me that the certificate is basically nothing.....sad as it is......but true
Anthony, the difference between usual diamonds and blood diamonds is the sale money and what it is being used for. If it is to finance war, sierra leone,drc or even zimbabwe in the case of mistreatment, then they are blood diamonds. I have a suggestion to make, buy Tanzanite, its cheaper, better looking and will soon run out so its a better investment
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Anthony, the difference between usual diamonds and blood diamonds is the sale money and what it is being used for. If it is to finance war, sierra leone,drc or even zimbabwe in the case of mistreatment, then they are blood diamonds. I have a suggestion to make, buy Tanzanite, its cheaper, better looking and will soon run out so its a better investment

didnt know that. thought it was when they were 'acquired' in a questionable way....
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Can you explain me in short why I would want to buy from the most expensive jeweller?
Yes.
Because in India it can be dodgy... So the "most expensive one" there its decent prices for you and provide probably a better trust than the local crook.

But yes as we said in the while thread it depends as certificates are fakable...

I suppose those one would not jeopardize their reputation by selling a fake...

Ha also that "Tanisq" had nice jewells, I saw lot of them.
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But yes as we said in the while thread it depends as certificates are fakable...
easily solved by going to the testing house website and entering the certificate number, this confirms if the cert is genuine.
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I have a suggestion to make, buy Tanzanite, its cheaper, better looking and will soon run out so its a better investment
From an investment point of view are pink argyle diamonds probably the best: The rarest of all, visibly from Ausralia (there is no other mine producing the same quality of pink), demand increasing as Asian love them and increasingly have the money to buy them... and the one mine in the world that produces them will be done in few years.



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What i meant with not having time, i didn't have a chance to look through all the post`s written, i did log in to see if i got any messages but...

And when i first started this thread i didn't try offer Diamonds to anyone on EF abut rather ask your advise on what you think of me opening a Store in Zurich.

At the moment all i have is a computer phone and contacts in the Diamond world so if anyone is looking for a diamond at the moment i offered i could try and find out the price so might of developed a little in people thinking this thread is to advertise diamonds but i wouldn't date do that since that belongs in the for sale section no mod. ??


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He said he hadn't been on the forum in the last few days which wasn't true. My opinion that this kind of transaction shouldn't take place via a forum is my own opinion, indidntvsay I thought it should be outlawed so as I have said previously if you had read all the threads you go ahead.
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What i meant with not having time, i didn't have a chance to look through all the post`s written, i did log in to see if i got any messages but...

And when i first started this thread i didn't try offer Diamonds to anyone on EF abut rather ask your advise on what you think of me opening a Store in Zurich.

At the moment all i have is a computer phone and contacts in the Diamond world so if anyone is looking for a diamond at the moment i offered i could try and find out the price so might of developed a little in people thinking this thread is to advertise diamonds but i wouldn't date do that since that belongs in the for sale section no mod. ??
Don't worry about negative feedback. This is the Englishforum - even if you ask "who likes fluffy bunnies?" somebody will reply "I hate them".

I personally find them tasty...
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I dont !!!! there to fluffy...

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easily solved by going to the testing house website and entering the certificate number, this confirms if the cert is genuine.
Yeah I just glanced into that. it's deadly complicated.

http://www.wikihow.com/Evaluate-a-Di...ng-Certificate

So yes it confirms to me that it's fakeable. Anyway I think 2seconds about that process.

Let's say I have a number in my "MS PAINT certificate", I type it on one of those "semi official website". It's authentic YEAAAAH. End of stupid life.

Start of thinking life:
Yeah, what if that "MSPaint certificate" is not simply duplicate and everyone has the same ID number, all poiting to the same "official" proof saying its authentic?....



Yes, so let's say it's a shaddy business based on trust and standards that are not really trustable...

But yes many people "bought" their peace of mind that it's not "blood diamond", might just be "sweat diamond", but who cares?
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So who's dealing diamonds- or just got hold of a load of budget diamonds?

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Swiss prosecutors say thieves have stolen four diamonds worth millions of dollars (euros) from a watch and jewel fair in the northwestern city of Basel. Prosecutors office spokesman Markus Melzl says some of the thieves distracted an employee at a diamond trader's stall while others swiped the jewels from glass cabinet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_842794.html
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I am thinking of opening a Store in Zurich which would offer
Diamonds to much cheaper prices then is offered on Bahnhofstrasse...
and maybe even eventually supply the whole of Switzerland.

Anyone in this sort of business ? What do you think ?

Comments welcome
so as anyone come close to answering your question?
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I dont get the no blood diamond business thing. They all come (mostly ) from the same place right? Africa. well they are all found the same way no? Its hard labor to find them....so im pretty sure every diamond is a blood diamond. (i have close family who worked in the diamond industry and told me they all come from the same place in the same way) the certificate ....well thats easy to make now isnt it....
I bought my ring for the gf from Antwerp, with this close family member, so he knew the value very well ....without receipt and without certificate and WELL below the retail value... several 1000's

both told me that the certificate is basically nothing.....sad as it is......but true
AFAIK, a high proportion of diamonds in Africa come from South Africa or Botswana, relatively (certainly by African standards) orderly places where diamond mining is run fairly much as other sorts of mining. It is an important sort of income in places that need the money, I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with that.

Blood diamonds is the term normally used for stones coming from and financing conflict areas, for example Congo, Sierra Leone, ... There is a difference.

Now, when I got an engagement ring for my then fiancée, I got one with a ruby (rarer than diamonds) and designed the ring with the jeweller. I just found diamonds too dull and conventional. Where and how the stone was sourced is anyone's guess :-/
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AFAIK, a high proportion of diamonds in Africa come from South Africa or Botswana, relatively (certainly by African standards) orderly places where diamond mining is run fairly much as other sorts of mining. It is an important sort of income in places that need the money, I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with that.
Here is what is fundamentally wrong: We don't know. All we know is that South Africa and Botswana are the only countries with diamond mines that are in a shape good enough to publish reliable information.
There are many diamond mines in any really bad place from Zimbabwe over Congo to Ivory Coast. How do you know where your stone is from?:

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Here is what is fundamentally wrong: We don't know. All we know is that South Africa and Botswana are the only countries with diamond mines that are in a shape good enough to publish reliable information.
There are many diamond mines in any really bad place from Zimbabwe over Congo to Ivory Coast. How do you know where your stone is from?:
I don't think we disagree particularly much: To me, if it can be shown that the diamond is from e.g. SA, Botswana, Australia, perhaps even Russia, it is ok. In real life, the problem is the if - I was taking issue with all of Africa being dismissed like that, to me SA is as reliable as Russia (at least).

Not that I am into diamond buying.
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I don't think we disagree particularly much: To me, if it can be shown that the diamond is from e.g. SA, Botswana, Australia, perhaps even Russia, it is ok. In real life, the problem is the if - I was taking issue with all of Africa being dismissed like that, to me SA is as reliable as Russia (at least).

Not that I am into diamond buying.
Yes, but the problem is: How do you "show" where a diamond is from? I would expect the sellers of blood diamonds to be aware that people would not be proud to buy "certified conflict diamonds" - so as soon as the value is high enough, they have a strong interest to sell them as South African. The fact that they sell blood diamonds alone would tell me that they probably have the criminal energy to lie to you and fake some documents, no?

Of course to companies like de Beers try to make better documents that are harder to fake, lase something into the stone... but honestly: how hard is it to laser a number into a diamond?
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Yes, but the problem is: How do you "show" where a diamond is from? I would expect the sellers of blood diamonds to be aware that people would not be proud to buy "certified conflict diamonds" - so as soon as the value is high enough, they have a strong interest to sell them as South African. The fact that they sell blood diamonds alone would tell me that they probably have the criminal energy to lie to you and fake some documents, no?

Of course to companies like de Beers try to make better documents that are harder to fake, lase something into the stone... but honestly: how hard is it to laser a number into a diamond?
Well as said earlier, and dismissed by some , the Kimberley Process requires traceability through invoicing, so that each seller has to certify the provenance of the diamonds, and therefore any inspection can check the original seller of the diamond. Therefore the first seller that introduced a blood diamond into the chain can be identified and prosecuted.
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I guess your suggesting it was an inside job, but this thread was started well before thy got stolen...

Make ukal123 an offer for them...

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So who's dealing diamonds- or just got hold of a load of budget diamonds?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_842794.html
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Yeah I just glanced into that. it's deadly complicated.

http://www.wikihow.com/Evaluate-a-Di...ng-Certificate

So yes it confirms to me that it's fakeable. Anyway I think 2seconds about that process.

Let's say I have a number in my "MS PAINT certificate", I type it on one of those "semi official website". It's authentic YEAAAAH. End of stupid life.

Start of thinking life:
Yeah, what if that "MSPaint certificate" is not simply duplicate and everyone has the same ID number, all poiting to the same "official" proof saying its authentic?....



Yes, so let's say it's a shaddy business based on trust and standards that are not really trustable...

But yes many people "bought" their peace of mind that it's not "blood diamond", might just be "sweat diamond", but who cares?
what do you mean by semi official website and do you know what a real certificate looks like?

of course it can be copied thats why you need to establish who you are buying from and have some previous experience with un mounted loose diamonds
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I used to be fascinated by gemstones, but after my teenage years really don't understand the fascination for wearing them.
Besides most people just assumed that what I was wearing fake and most couldn't tell the difference. I can
Geologically gemstones are interesting-and the history of those who have fought for and worn them. Some have left such a trail of destruction all for a glassy looking object. I feel sorry for Kate Middleton that she will wear Diana's ring-I wouldn't wear it. Whenever he looks at that ring he must think of his mother.
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Just saw this in the press today, it does add some more weight to the posts above that question whether the governance of the Kimberley Process is sufficiently thorough...

Zimbabwe diamonds: Kimberley Process approves sales
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