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Old 09.11.2011, 21:49
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B permits do allow for self employment.

You pay the contributions. But you are not getting any pension fund contributions by paid by the employer.

I really think you are missing the point though. The authorities do not want companies employing de facto employees as "self employed" because they feel companies are doing this to try to avoid paying the contributions such as pension fund contributions, holiday pay, severance pay, accident insurance, etc.
Well that is the whole point in a way of hiring self employed people in that the company does not have to pay all the benefits. Thanks for the clarification on the AHV contributions and the B permit though. I think many B permits are subject to permission in terms of being allowed to work independently. AHV I see now so basically the company pays none of it.

As for the other benefits, I think it has always been a grey area. Think of several IT companies in Asia hiring people on site at the financial firms for instance. Many of them are defacto employees. It seems to work if I see the whole bunch of guys working onsite for one client. Would the same employee be considered self employed if working from home for the same client ?

Generally speaking self employed means not having all those company benefits you mentioned.
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Old 10.11.2011, 01:00
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Well that is the whole point in a way of hiring self employed people in that the company does not have to pay all the benefits.
Not on Switzerland. It's not allowed.

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Thanks for the clarification on the AHV contributions and the B permit though. I think many B permits are subject to permission in terms of being allowed to work independently. AHV I see now so basically the company pays none of it.
Technically everyone has to be approved by the AVS agency.

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As for the other benefits, I think it has always been a grey area. Think of several IT companies in Asia hiring people on site at the financial firms for instance. Many of them are defacto employees. It seems to work if I see the whole bunch of guys working onsite for one client. Would the same employee be considered self employed if working from home for the same client ?

Generally speaking self employed means not having all those company benefits you mentioned.
In the situation you are writing about, these people are employees of the IT company. It is up to that IT agency to fulfill the requirements of employing their people.

As for whether you can work at home: No. Read the requirements on the link I provided for you. It's all specified there.
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Well that is the whole point in a way of hiring self employed people in that the company does not have to pay all the benefits.
No, the whole point is to bring in skills or capacity, that the company does not possess or cannot afford to maintain, normally in smallish doses. Evading social law is not a legitimate point for anything.
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Hello All, I am new on this forum.

I am a Swiss/US citizen and in the process of registering my LLC in Basel. First I have to register myself, which has been quite a project. But I think it is now just about complete.

I was planning to have a virtual presence in Basel - mail box, phone, and mail forwarding to California, where I spend more of my time still at present. The recent posts make it sound like this is not going to be premitted unless I can show that I have many customers. Is this right? Sounds awfully restrictive to me.

It's not like I wouldn't pay the income taxes, etc. Half the reason for the business in Basel is to pay into the Swiss system and get Swiss insurance, as those seem to be so much more stable and give much better benefits than in the US. It certainly wasn't always like that, but man have times changed...

I would welcome any feedback or information. Thanks,
Gaby
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The recent posts make it sound like this is not going to be premitted unless I can show that I have many customers. Is this right? Sounds awfully restrictive to me.
This is about sole proprietorship self employed, LLC doesnít require to do anything to be a float even zero balance is not a problem, in your case, as a Swiss national director, resident in a country.


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Iím not confident what are requirements for resident nationals. Foreigners must not stay away for more than half year. I think you must visit country at least once a year to keep your resident status.
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Hello All, I am new on this forum.

I am a Swiss/US citizen and in the process of registering my LLC in Basel. First I have to register myself, which has been quite a project. But I think it is now just about complete.

I was planning to have a virtual presence in Basel - mail box, phone, and mail forwarding to California, where I spend more of my time still at present. The recent posts make it sound like this is not going to be premitted unless I can show that I have many customers. Is this right? Sounds awfully restrictive to me.

It's not like I wouldn't pay the income taxes, etc. Half the reason for the business in Basel is to pay into the Swiss system and get Swiss insurance, as those seem to be so much more stable and give much better benefits than in the US. It certainly wasn't always like that, but man have times changed...

I would welcome any feedback or information. Thanks,
Gaby
Only for the self employed if they are acting as "de facto employees" and only if your one client/de facto employer is inside Switzerland.
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No, the whole point is to bring in skills or capacity, that the company does not possess or cannot afford to maintain, normally in smallish doses. Evading social law is not a legitimate point for anything.
Thats part of it of course the skills that goes without saying. No one's paying for anything.
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This is about sole proprietorship self employed, LLC doesnít require to do anything to be a float even zero balance is not a problem, in your case, as a Swiss national director, resident in a country.


Iím not confident what are requirements for resident nationals. Foreigners must not stay away for more than half year. I think you must visit country at least once a year to keep your resident status.
Correct, a legal entity solves this problem. In fact, in many countries it is not a problem to have one client as well even for sole proprietorships. Perfectly ok and no social laws are evaded. It seems to be an issue here in CH but I would check it out with the authorities and not rely on forum advice.
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