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International Patent Lawyer

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can any EF'ers recommend a patent lawyer.

I'm interested in registering an idea/invention; I.P. , processes, software algorithms.

Any quality contacts appreciated.

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Harry
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Old 14.05.2012, 23:54
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Hi all,

can any EF'ers recommend a patent lawyer.

I'm interested in registering an idea/invention; I.P. , processes, software algorithms.

Any quality contacts appreciated.

Thanks!
Harry
I have heard good things about Tradamarca in Lausanne. I know that the managing partner speaks good English and that they have a couple patent lawyers on staff (even if the bread and butter appears to be trademarks).

http://www.tradamarca.com/
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Re: International Patent Lawyer

Firstly, do not say any more about your idea here or anywhere else before talking to a patent attorney. You'll be amazed what can be classed as public disclosure these days.

I don't know any private practices in Zurich as I have only worked in industry since living in Switzerland but Braun and Braun in Basel have a good reputation. Ask for a guy called Florian who will be able to point you in the right direction if the idea is not in his technical field.

http://www.braunpat.ch/en/braunpat/kanzlei.html
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Re: International Patent Lawyer

Are you sure the idea is totally original because its actually quite difficult to patent any kind of software because you have to prove its non-obvious and original/ inventive. However, you can copyright software by printing out the software code and you can do the application yourself through the copyright office. The wait can be long though but it doesn't prevent you from printing on the cd covers and documentation * copyright 20XX xxxxx*
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Are you sure the idea is totally original because its actually quite difficult to patent anything because you have to prove its non-obvious and original/ inventive.
FTFY

The patent attorney will run a search for you to see if the idea is novel and will recommend accordingly. Best to talk to them and go from there.

I had a great idea about 10 years ago and missed out on being the first to get a patent application in by a matter of weeks so don't hang on too long in case your idea is patentable
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Re: International Patent Lawyer

WIPO offers an online searchable database of published patent requests

http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/search.jsf

however quite frankly an IP attorney will provide a more reliable and more secure search
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If you want comprehensive advice:
http://www.walderwyss.com/en/practic...logy-transfer/

Walder Wyss is leading in IP/IT matters:
http://www.chambersandpartners.com/E...70346#org_4068
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Firstly, do not say any more about your idea...
Thanks for your kind advice!!! I don't think I gave too much away.

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Are you sure the idea is totally original because its actually quite difficult to patent any kind of software because you have to prove its non-obvious and original/ inventive. However, you can copyright software by printing out the software code and you can do the application yourself through the copyright office. The wait can be long though but it doesn't prevent you from printing on the cd covers and documentation * copyright 20XX xxxxx*
In reality, very few ideas are truly original, even the most innovative of enterprises.

D'accor. I've been watched quite a bit of the I.P. registrations from major American companies and they seem to get patents for didly squat. Yet, whether they can defend those at a later point in time is another matter.

Your kind advise is greatly appreciated!
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FTFY

The patent attorney will run a search for you to see if the idea is novel and will recommend accordingly. Best to talk to them and go from there.

I had a great idea about 10 years ago and missed out on being the first to get a patent application in by a matter of weeks so don't hang on too long in case your idea is patentable
I'm sooooo sorry to hear that. If you're like me, you probably have wacky ideas all the time. Any every now and again you discover something of significance.

Thanks for you kind advice.
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Re: International Patent Lawyer

I remember discussions in the past they were going to make all software and algorithms non-patentable as they were considered to be best practice and therefore not reasonable to patent.

It's been a couple of years since I've researched patents or done checking to see if anything we were doing infringed an existing patent or whether it could be patented.
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Re: International Patent Lawyer

I have a good friend who is a Swiss/European Patent Attorney, but I'm not sure if she handles the type of invention you want to patent, but I will be happy to ask her and I'll pm you with any details. She practices in Kanton Aargau.


One of the firms I dealt with when I worked in patent law was Schluep Degen, which is in Bern. They specialize in Intellectual Property, and I always found them to be competent:

http://www.schluepdegen.ch/1513.html
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I remember discussions in the past they were going to make all software and algorithms non-patentable as they were considered to be best practice and therefore not reasonable to patent.

It's been a couple of years since I've researched patents or done checking to see if anything we were doing infringed an existing patent or whether it could be patented.
Hi Markarina,

I too have doubts about intellectual property. On the one hand, an investment should reap a reward. Yet, should not be detrimental to advances society wants to make.

I think a balance can be found.

Thanks for your comments!
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Harry, did you find a good patent attorney? If you need any help, let me know - I work as a European patent attorney in Berne.
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Hi all,

can any EF'ers recommend a patent lawyer.

I'm interested in registering an idea/invention; I.P. , processes, software algorithms.

Any quality contacts appreciated.

Thanks!
Harry
I know the original question was about a billion years ago, but just in case it ever comes up again...

Software algorithms are unpatentable in Europe, unless they form part of a solution to a technical problem, say, the means of regulating a functioning machine. (The USA is different in this respect). Processes are patentable, depending on the nature of the process.

Next question; where? Patenting costs somewhere between "a lot" and "an awful lot", depending on the number of countries involved. If it's Swizzieland only, that's not too hideous, but once you start looking outside, prepare for seriously big bills.

Should you (or anyone else) be interested in a particularly scurrilous little book on patents for non-patent people, you are welcome to PM me.
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