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I want to sell through my website

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Because I have two children I have lots of clothes, shoes, toys, gadgets that I would like to sell. In the UK that was so easy using the NCT network/charity.

Here in CH I am thinking in setting up my own website and put pictures of what I want to sell and the prices. It would be my own "second hand shop".

Also, as I did in the UK I want to give a % to a child charity.

Do I need any permission, set a company, or anything to do this? Or maybe I need to do taxes? I have B permit.


Thank you so much in advance.
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Do I need any permission, set a company, or anything to do this? Or maybe I need to do taxes? I have B permit.
No, you don't need permission. If you sell in the public, like with a website, then it would be advised to contact the Steueramt (tax office) at your Gemeinde to see what the requirements are on reporting income (or maybe someone here knows this information first hand). Otherwise you don't sell with tax since the items are used and sold as "private sale".
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Re: I want to sell through my website

I also don't think you need any permission. On the technical side look into Shopify or Magento GO as free software platforms to use.
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I would be interested in knowing the answer to this. There are so many selling stuff they make or import, from home via Forums - at what stage does it become a taxable business? Does anybody know the facts?

No problem is you sell you OWN second-hand bits and bobs, clothes, kids' toys, furniture, etc. But maybe not if one sells self-made goods, art, imported new clothes, or stuff bought in and re-sold at a profit?

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Re: I want to sell through my website

you do not need any permission or declaration.
Actually, there are many ways to sell used stuff in Switzerland.
We had good experience with:
http://tutti.ch/fr
and the second hand shops, which are many and easily to find in the yellow pages:
http://yellow.local.ch/
(of course you gain less with the latter).
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I would be interested in knowing the answer to this. There are so many selling stuff they make or import, from home via Forums - at what stage does it become a taxable business? Does anybody know the facts?

No problem is you sell you OWN second-hand bits and bobs, clothes, kids' toys, furniture, etc. But maybe not if one sells self-made goods, art, imported new clothes, or stuff bought in and re-sold at a profit?
Odile, we talked to a lawyer recently. If you have a private business and your total yearly income is below 100000 chf you do not need to pay any taxes on the revenue. However you still need to declare all your income to be on the legal side.
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Re: I want to sell through my website

The second hand children's shop in Romerhof, Zurich takes items on consignment.
http://www.kinderkleider-boerse.ch/

The second hand children's shop in Witikon buys your stuff up-front.
http://www.max-und-moritz.ch/

Our local churches have clothing sales ('börse' in German) a couple of times a year - either you donate and they sell, or you give on consignment and they split the profit, or you come and take a table and sell things yourself - the model varies...

This website lists all the second-hand shops in categories for Zurich:
http://www.nichtneu.ch/

Children's stuff: http://www.nichtneu.ch/was-suchen-sie/kategorie/8
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Re: I want to sell through my website

Well any income would have to be declared as income tax - but you can deduct certain costs as well as long as you can prove them.

As soon as your total revenue exceeds CHF 100'000 you will be obliged to pay VAT (MwSt) - and that is a bit more complicated.

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I would be interested in knowing the answer to this. There are so many selling stuff they make or import, from home via Forums - at what stage does it become a taxable business? Does anybody know the facts?

No problem is you sell you OWN second-hand bits and bobs, clothes, kids' toys, furniture, etc. But maybe not if one sells self-made goods, art, imported new clothes, or stuff bought in and re-sold at a profit?
The business has to be profitable , unlike Starbucks in the UK ! AHV/AVS will also be payable
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Odile, we talked to a lawyer recently. If you have a private business and your total yearly income is below 100000 chf you do not need to pay any taxes on the revenue. However you still need to declare all your income to be on the legal side.
Believe your lawyer at your own risk! That surely would not be an excuse not to be fined for not paying taxes.

To echo the words from international...

The 100k limit is for VAT requirements and can be lowered (that is info for another thread). Though, I doubt selling a few personal items would reach that amount

Claiming the money as income would be taxed as such.
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Believe your lawyer at your own risk! That surely would not be an excuse not to be fined for not paying taxes.

To echo the words from international...

The 100k limit is for VAT requirements and can be lowered (that is info for another thread). Though, I doubt selling a few personal items would reach that amount

Claiming the money as income would be taxed as such.
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Yes, I am really surprised at that. Why should people with a much lower income have to pay tax- and not if through the internet??? 100K is a high salary (to me at least).
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Believe your lawyer at your own risk! That surely would not be an excuse not to be fined for not paying taxes.

To echo the words from international...

The 100k limit is for VAT requirements and can be lowered (that is info for another thread). Though, I doubt selling a few personal items would reach that amount

Claiming the money as income would be taxed as such.
JC
right, I was too imprecise. I meant only for VAT! By declaring your new revenue it will be taxed as usual (this is why I advised to declare it to be on the legal side!).
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Re: I want to sell through my website

Do not get VAT (or MwSt as it's known here) confused with income tax, they are totally separate.

modified (formally known as xt-modified) is a great OS start-up platform for german-speaking countries like Switzerland..very simple to install and works perfectly with Paypal API.

Magento is tricky getting set up, and usually requires at least a virtual server (as opposed to webspace + sql) to get good results.
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Hello

Because I have two children I have lots of clothes, shoes, toys, gadgets that I would like to sell. In the UK that was so easy using the NCT network/charity.

Here in CH I am thinking in setting up my own website and put pictures of what I want to sell and the prices. It would be my own "second hand shop".

Also, as I did in the UK I want to give a % to a child charity.

Do I need any permission, set a company, or anything to do this? Or maybe I need to do taxes? I have B permit.


Thank you so much in advance.
These are 2 completely separate topics.

If you are simply disposing of surplus personal or household goods in a private capacity then the easiest would be to use an existing platform say ricardo.ch (the Swiss equivalent of Ebay). Only if you are doing it as a trade (purchasing/manufacturing/re-selling goods with a view to making a profit) will you have to consider the tax implications. Start small and see how it goes before making any substantial investments. If it starts expanding (may be you need to employ additional staff or you need to change the legal from of the business from "sole trader" to "limited company", or you cross the VAT threshold etc.) then it starts getting complicated and you will need specific expert advice.

Any qualifying charitable donations you make (I think, up to 10% of taxable income) can be entered onto your tax form (or may be your partner's) to reduce the effective taxable income.
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