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Starting CH work: as non-EU company, invoicing the Swiss company

Hello fellow EFers!

I've signed here few months ago and was busy since that, trying to find some work in Switzerland. Luckily I managed to do so, but didn't manage to get a work permit, so I'm forced (for now) to work remotely and invoice my services to a Swiss client (company).

I was reading here deep and wide about possibilities to work in CH, as a natural person, as GmbH etc but I'm not sure that all the common wisdom helps in my case.

I'm an EU citizen (Croatian - so I guess may actually be treated as non-EU, for now) but I have a GmbH-alike company outside of EU (I'm the owner and an employee of that company).
For now, the plan was to invoice my services (IT sector) monthly to my CH client, through my foreign, non-EU company.

I would also like to open an account in Swiss bank for that purpose.
Is it ok if I only open a business account (for my *foreign* company) in one of Swiss banks and let the client pay me to that account?
What happens with the taxes in that case - are any needed to get paid in Switzerland and what would that tax be? I would use this account only for Swiss client/s.

If that would be ok, then I'd be able to get a company debit card for expenses, travel to meetings with client and I could use ebanking for transferring the money to original foreign company. Also, it would be neat for Swiss clients to see that I have a local bank account. Am I making sense or am I just being too optimistic?

What sounds tricky is that Switzerland doesn't really know where do I send the money outside of that Swiss account... so it may be considered a way for doing some no-no things and I'm wondering if such setup is legal at all. Well - the bank transfer would show the target company's name being same as the one that owns the CH account, but I'm not sure.

If that solution (which seems the simplest for start) doesn't work, I'll need to either accept money to my non-eu business account or go with opening a CH company.

Thank you very much for any input. I'm sorry if made it too complicated.
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Re: Starting CH work: as non-EU company, invoicing the Swiss company

Maybe it would be usable to mention that my yearly salary (for 100% work) will be below 100k.
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Re: Starting CH work: as non-EU company, invoicing the Swiss company

https://www.ch.ch/en/becoming-self-employed/

http://www.kmu.admin.ch/themen/00614...x.html?lang=en

http://www.kmu.admin.ch/themen/00614...x.html?lang=en

The main problem at present is that the authorities would probably see you as being an employee of your (single) client and therefore not self-employed. Also openng a GmbH will cost several thousand and you might need to have a Swiss resident as a director of the company.

Have you thought of using a payroll service or similar?
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The main problem at present is that the authorities would probably see you as being an employee of your (single) client and therefore not self-employed. Also openng a GmbH will cost several thousand and you might need to have a Swiss resident as a director of the company.

Have you thought of using a payroll service or similar?
Medea thanks for response quick as always!
I went through those links but they actually are more oriented towards people that are trying to work IN Switzerland. At this moment I have an agreement to work for my client remotely, outside of Switzerland. Excuse me for missing the "outside of Switzerland" part previously.

At this point, my client is happy accepting invoices from non-eu country, so that frees me from getting a work permit, since I'm actually not working or residing in Switzerland. I will come to occasional meetings though.

I'm primarily looking for ways to open a legitimate business bank account in Switzerland, as a foreign company.

I did think shortly of using some Swiss "umbrella" company to get the salary through, but I haven't done it ever and I'm not sure how much do they charge. I will investigate that too, thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: Starting CH work: as non-EU company, invoicing the Swiss company

Yes, I know, but they do give you some insight into what may be needed even if you aren't resident here.

The other thing is, if you're considered an EU citizen, you might be able to get the permit by setting up a company here. Not really up on the ins and outs of this though, so hopefully someone who's already done it will shed some light on the situation.

On the banking side, again I'm not sure how easy it will be. I'd try the bigger banks - UBS, PostFinance and Credit Suisse - as they might be more ameniable to opening a business account for you. Will probably cost though. Have a look at their websites and see if they have any useful info.
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Re: Starting CH work: as non-EU company, invoicing the Swiss company

I actually spoke with some folks at the banks but it turned out that they are not always stating the same as their managers do. But we'll see. I'll ask some more.
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Re: Starting CH work: as non-EU company, invoicing the Swiss company

Hi there

I was wondering if you've continued to work through your foreign company using a foreign bank account or if your situation has changed?
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Hi there

I was wondering if you've continued to work through your foreign company using a foreign bank account or if your situation has changed?
Yes, I am still invoicing my client through my foreign company (and foreign account), at least at this moment.
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