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...My level of English writing is actually too high brow for Aussie's, even though to me it's just proper English. I've had a few Aussie bosses tell me I have excellent technical writing ability followed by "but please dumb it down for Aussie's". They haven't used those words exactly, but that's the drift I get...
This bit caught my eye. Sorry to be pedantic. You claim your writing is "too high brow" yet make a fundamental and glaring English mistake that any native English speaker should catch. Apostrophes are generally used to show omission or possession, not plurals. Instead, you would just write Aussies. You wouldn't write Australian's as the plural of Australian, right? (edit: sorry, it appears you would, based on post #7)

Back on topic... I think some of the bigger companies with an online presence in English would be a good place to start. I just read an article published on Credit Suisse, for example. Any company or organization that doesn't yet have a site in English could be a potential new client. It seems as though English is growing in Switzerland and companies that don't want to be left behind will need some online content in English in the near-ish future.

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Yes I'm well aware about adapting to the audience etc. I do. What I mean by that though is that I'd rather put my talents to use writing stuff of more substance rather than just catering to the lowest common denominator in society. Australian businesses really underestimate people, some of the stuff is just nonsensical fluff, yes every now and then a business wants something a bit more, I'd rather not waste my life working for nothing writing content of a year 10 high school variety. The worst part is they say they have someone proof read it again before my work is put online... But they don't. I come back and check after a night's rest and of course pick up a few easily fixed errors which I hadn't noticed the night before after a day of writing. So frustrating that this impacts on my reputation when I'm well aware of the error and could fix it within ten minutes if they would just let me proof read the stuff the next day. You can't proofread and edit after a day of writing, you need some space from the work to see clearly again if you know what I mean. It's just constant corner cutting over in Australia, all in the name of saving a few dollars.

As For those nit -picking my writing on the forum, stop it please. I've said before I'm writing this on the fly on holiday as my attention is divided between engaging with numerous people in Swiss German all day long and jumping on and off this forum to quickly answer a reply. I'm not checking my writing before I hit reply and I'm writing everything on my phone. So please just give me a break alrighty. Please stay on topic people.

Well BLP, those who don't live in Australia still have an outdated view of the country as a wonderful land of laidback larrikins who are eager to give one another a 'fair go'. This isn't the 80's, 90's anymore. We are now America, where you are paid next to nothing and expected to give your all while you work on contract without any super, holiday pay, sick leave etc.
40% of the workforce now work on contracts!

Cost of living will be as high as Switzerland within 5 to 10 years. No I'm not joking. And the country is becoming more of a police and nanny state every month. Both political parties are an out of touch joke who rule for the rich while doing all in their power to widen the gap between rich and poor. Meanwhile, the majority of the people have there heads stuck in the sand and refuse to educate themselves as to what is truly happening.

Here's an example of how bad it's gotten: this year we had a major law firm offering to take on uni law grads if the grad paid them $11,000 for the privilege of working for the firm for $0 for a year!!!!

We have a plethora of lawyers, accountants, teachers, the list goes on, all coming out of uni to find no jobs available. Yeah, that's right, no jobs available across a variety of fields despite the unis luring in huge numbers into these courses each year.

Oh and of course the Chinese are gatecrashing and paying their way in as our unis make an obscene profit off international students. In the first week of my friends masters of business, the lecturer spent time teaching the Chinese students English words and their meanings. I'm sorry, but this is a Master's, not an English language course, if you don't know the language you shouldn't be studying here at all. So now our unis are being dumbed down too.

I could go on at length, but I'd be here a while. Australia is quickly becoming the US, and I've no interest in hanging around to get screwed over.

Thank you 3wishes. Apologies for being a bit snappy, it has been a long day. I've been sleeping around 5 hours since arriving in Switzerland and its getting to me. I'm just exhausted and not all up with it right now.

As for setting up my own business and writing from anywhere, for anyone. I'm not interested in this. I'm interested in a secure, full-time position in a Swiss business/company as a content writer/content marketer, in-house journalist/PR, copywriter.

Going it alone is not going to cut it long term. Businesses can much more easily muck you around as a freelancer and I am done with dealing with such crap. I've done enough of that to know that for most, it's not worth it long term. Some get lucky and hit on the perfect gigs, but most don't.

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Old 28.12.2015, 01:13
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Well BLP, those who don't live in Australia still have an outdated view of the country as a wonderful land of laidback larrikins who are eager to give one another a 'fair go'.
It's ironic because some of the happiest/nicest folks are down there, so very interesting to read your post. A lot of the points are global though, the UK is slipping down the "becoming the US" slide a lot quicker than in the past too. It's scary!

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Old 28.12.2015, 08:32
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...As for setting up my own business and writing from anywhere, for anyone. I'm not interested in this. I'm interested in a secure, full-time position in a Swiss business/company as a content writer/content marketer, in-house journalist/PR, copywriter.

Going it alone is not going to cut it long term. Businesses can much more easily muck you around as a freelancer and I am done with dealing with such crap. I've done enough of that to know that for most, it's not worth it long term. Some get lucky and hit on the perfect gigs, but most don't.
I know you're exhausted and still finding your feet, but don't automatically discard potential avenues to your long-term goal. At least not before you give it a shot here. Many, many jobs in Switzerland are found via networking. Each freelance job you take on adds more contacts to potentially get you into the right place of a long-term job. Those folks can keep their eyes and ears open for you, and recommend you to others. Even though you are Swiss, it doesn't hurt to have intros from people who've worked with you in Switzerland.

It's not clear from your post how much time you've spent here, so apologies if you've already done a bunch of freelance for Swiss companies and not found it satisfactory.

Edit: I also think you have an advantage over other native English speakers in that you already speak Swiss German and don't need working permissions. This will allow you more opportunities for networking than someone who doesn't speak German or needs to have a permit sponsored by the employer.

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Re: Are native English online content writers/copywriters in demand in Switzerland?

There is so much that is strange about what you wrote. I particularly like the use of 'becoming the U.S.' as an insult when the problems you outline are those of globalization and your particular issues with your country and your career choice.

I have a friend (American in fact) who is doing quite well as a freelance content writer. She works and travels all over the world (I need to check Facebook to find out where she is) while her clients are all in the US.

But anyway, it's all a matter of opinion and outlook. So I'm not even going to bother getting into it.

Have you actually look at the job sites yet?

Check out this job at Nestlé: Digital Content Marketer

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/91737058
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Checking the websites of the various companies given in the links in this thread may also yield some possibilities.

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As For those nit -picking my writing on the forum, stop it please. I've said before I'm writing this on the fly on holiday as my attention is divided between engaging with numerous people in Swiss German all day long and jumping on and off this forum to quickly answer a reply. I'm not checking my writing before I hit reply and I'm writing everything on my phone. So please just give me a break alrighty. Please stay on topic people.
Your writing ability is fully on topic. There may be someone reading this looking for someone just like you. Maybe that's part of the reason you posted. If they are, your ability and your attitude might put them off. Why take that risk?

For someone serious about writing, communicating clearly and accurately isn't something to turn on and off. It should be natural: something you do without thinking. I say that because a lot of people in the writing game are nowhere near as good as they think they are. I see it quite a lot here in Switzerland, where many native English speakers decide to market themselves as English writing specialists, even though they would be laughed out of court if they tried working as copywriters in the UK.

Their belief is that 'in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king'. Not true. In English language terms, Switzerland may be thought of as a kingdom of the blind, but there are enough fully sighted people around to expose the chancers.

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It's ironic because some of the happiest/nicest folks are down there, so very interesting to read your post. A lot of the points are global though, the UK is slipping down the "becoming the US" slide a lot quicker than in the past too.
I have to say, I don't find Aussies on the whole to be particularly nice, I spent a year there and found locals to quite stupid and very racist! Obvs not everybody, but a high percentage. Still I would probably prefer to live in a queenslander overlooking the pacific then an apartment in a suburb of Zürich. On the otherhand it's true Oz is very Americanized and jobs are hard to come by, unless you are a skilled tradesman. Anyway good luck with the job search, but remember in Zürich it's often not what you know, but who you know, that'll cinch the deal.

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Your writing ability is fully on topic. There may be someone reading this looking for someone just like you. Maybe that's part of the reason you posted. If they are, your ability and your attitude might put them off. Why take that risk?

For someone serious about writing, communicating clearly and accurately isn't something to turn on and off. It should be natural: something you do without thinking. I say that because a lot of people in the writing game are nowhere near as good as they think they are. I see it quite a lot here in Switzerland, where many native English speakers decide to market themselves as English writing specialists, even though they would be laughed out of court if they tried working as copywriters in the UK.
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Your writing ability is fully on topic. There may be someone reading this looking for someone just like you. Maybe that's part of the reason you posted. If they are, your ability and your attitude might put them off. Why take that risk?

For someone serious about writing, communicating clearly and accurately isn't something to turn on and off. It should be natural: something you do without thinking. I say that because a lot of people in the writing game are nowhere near as good as they think they are. I see it quite a lot here in Switzerland, where many native English speakers decide to market themselves as English writing specialists, even though they would be laughed out of court if they tried working as copywriters in the UK.

Their belief is that 'in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king'. Not true. In English language terms, Switzerland may be thought of as a kingdom of the blind, but there are enough fully sighted people around to expose the chancers.
Thank you for the input, but please stay on topic and don't make sweeping assumptions about me when you know nothing about me. I'm well aware there are many people say they can write perfectly, but cannot at all. I'm not saying I'm perfect, though I guess I should have used a different expression instead of.'high brow'. I'm using a new phone which enjoys auto correcting wrong a lot.

Also, some have misunderstood what I've said. I've NEVER WORKED IN SWITZERLAND, ONLY AUSTRALIA. All my references to working are about Australia.

Also, for all those offering anecdotal stories about people they know, please stop. I don't need anecdotes.

Also, I'm only interested in working in Switzerland, not the UK or anywhere else.

Freelancing is great for some, yes I know, but for many it is a constant uphill battle to pay thebills.

Once again, please stay on topic people
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Much as you might not like it, this is a forum and people will contribute with helpful, useless, totally off topic, etc, advice and comments - that's what a forum is. Take note of what's useful and ignore the rest.

I would advise when submitting your CV that you make it clear you're a Swiss national, otherwise given all your work is Australia based they'll think they have to apply for a permit for you which they're unlikely to do.
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Thank you for the input, but please stay on topic and don't make sweeping assumptions about me when you know nothing about me. I'm well aware there are many people say they can write perfectly, but cannot at all. I'm not saying I'm perfect, though I guess I should have used a different expression instead of.'high brow'. I'm using a new phone which enjoys auto correcting wrong a lot.

Also, some have misunderstood what I've said. I've NEVER WORKED IN SWITZERLAND, ONLY AUSTRALIA. All my references to working are about Australia.

Also, for all those offering anecdotal stories about people they know, please stop. I don't need anecdotes.

Also, I'm only interested in working in Switzerland, not the UK or anywhere else.

Freelancing is great for some, yes I know, but for many it is a constant uphill battle to pay thebills.

Once again, please stay on topic people
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Forum topics go in circles, go somewhere and then come back to topic or go and stay off-topic, and forum members here on EF are free to tell anecdotes just as they are free to post threads. As MF says, use what's useful and don't use what you think isn't useful. But getting offended because people offer input which you can't "use" isn't going to help your case.

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My cousin Eric went to Australia once. He had several adventures with koalas and was bitten by a tarantula. He said the beer was rubbish.

He got a job as a copywriter because the bar over there is so low they'll employ anybody who knows one end of a crayon from the other. Apparently the literacy rate in some parts of rural Sydney is as low as 7%, while the great metropolis of Cooladdi is noted for not having a single literate resident. The people there, I'm told, communicate by banging on rocks and croaking like bullfrogs.

Upon his return to Switzerland, Eric was shocked to discover that standards for copywriters were somewhat higher. A rudimentary knowledge of English grammar was required, along with an ability to discriminate between "there", "their" and "they're". After seventeen years and several thousand fruitless applications, he gave it all up to raise alpacas.

He still lives in a grubby old yurt on Flumserberg. I can pass on your CV, if you like? He's always complaining that the Royal Comfort from Landi is too soft.
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I have to say, I don't find Aussies on the whole to be particularly nice, I spent a year there and found locals to quite stupid and very racist! Obvs not everybody, but a high percentage. Still I would probably prefer to live in a queenslander overlooking the pacific then an apartment in a suburb of Zürich. On the otherhand it's true Oz is very Americanized and jobs are hard to come by, unless you are a skilled tradesman. Anyway good luck with the job search, but remember in Zürich it's often not what you know, but who you know, that'll cinch the deal.
I've always been told the Aussies are like the Americans and the Kiwis like the Brits, but never been to verify this, it's a loooong time in a tin can for me. One day

I just know I have been in photography groups of mostly Americans, Brits, French and somehow got into this Aussie/Kiwi one and it was the nicest! They were so helpful to each other, less bitching and moaning and less flakey.

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Okay all, thank you for all the suggestions, help and so on.

I haven't taken offence to anything at all actually, slight exasperation from some of the passive aggressive comments here and there, but that's to be expected.

I apologise if I've come across as cranky and rude in places, not my intention, just the result of my slight exasperation coupled with lack of sleep for the last 3 weeks. I'm also recovering from a bad cold (lost my voice for 3 days and just got it back) which I'm almost over now.

I'm well aware of the difference between 'their', 'they're' and 'there'.

Australia's declining English language skills and 'she'll be right' aka cutting corners and doing a half a#@rse job is a large part of the reason I wish to leave. I hold myself to a high standard, I care deeply about producing quality work, but more often than not, I find Australian's by and large do not. Yes, I'm sure there are of course many who do care, but in my career to date I am yet to come across more than a handful.

I don't mean to completely put down Australia, but I know we can do better as a country. We are capable of more. I just want to work amongst people who strive to do their best and aren't always on the look out to step on another person's neck to get up in the world. I'm not built that way.

So thank you all for your advice, I'll take it all on board and will jump into myself into job search mode when I get back to Australia.

Just so you know, I have been doing my homework over the past year in regards to looking for work in Switzerland. I have been checking out some of the Swiss job search sites from Australia. I just got on here to try to glean some more information via an alternative avenue.

As for my misunderstanding forum etiquette, I apologise. I haven't used a forum for many years.
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yes i'm well aware about adapting to the audience etc. I do. What i mean by that though is that i'd rather put my talents to use writing stuff of more substance rather than just catering to the lowest common denominator in society. Australian businesses really underestimate people, some of the stuff is just nonsensical fluff, yes every now and then a business wants something a bit more, i'd rather not waste my life working for nothing writing content of a year 10 high school variety. The worst part is they say they have someone proof read it again before my work is put online... But they don't. I come back and check after a night's rest and of course pick up a few easily fixed errors which i hadn't noticed the night before after a day of writing. So frustrating that this impacts on my reputation when i'm well aware of the error and could fix it within ten minutes if they would just let me proof read the stuff the next day. You can't proofread and edit after a day of writing, you need some space from the work to see clearly again if you know what i mean. It's just constant corner cutting over in australia, all in the name of saving a few dollars.

As for those nit -picking my writing on the forum, stop it please. I've said before i'm writing this on the fly on holiday as my attention is divided between engaging with numerous people in swiss german all day long and jumping on and off this forum to quickly answer a reply. I'm not checking my writing before i hit reply and i'm writing everything on my phone. So please just give me a break alrighty. Please stay on topic people.

Well blp, those who don't live in australia still have an outdated view of the country as a wonderful land of laidback larrikins who are eager to give one another a 'fair go'. This isn't the 80's, 90's anymore. We are now america, where you are paid next to nothing and expected to give your all while you work on contract without any super, holiday pay, sick leave etc.
40% of the workforce now work on contracts!

Cost of living will be as high as switzerland within 5 to 10 years. No i'm not joking. And the country is becoming more of a police and nanny state every month. Both political parties are an out of touch joke who rule for the rich while doing all in their power to widen the gap between rich and poor. Meanwhile, the majority of the people have there heads stuck in the sand and refuse to educate themselves as to what is truly happening.

Here's an example of how bad it's gotten: This year we had a major law firm offering to take on uni law grads if the grad paid them $11,000 for the privilege of working for the firm for $0 for a year!!!!

We have a plethora of lawyers, accountants, teachers, the list goes on, all coming out of uni to find no jobs available. Yeah, that's right, no jobs available across a variety of fields despite the unis luring in huge numbers into these courses each year.

Oh and of course the chinese are gatecrashing and paying their way in as our unis make an obscene profit off international students. In the first week of my friends masters of business, the lecturer spent time teaching the chinese students english words and their meanings. I'm sorry, but this is a master's, not an english language course, if you don't know the language you shouldn't be studying here at all. So now our unis are being dumbed down too.

I could go on at length, but i'd be here a while. Australia is quickly becoming the us, and i've no interest in hanging around to get screwed over.

Thank you 3wishes. Apologies for being a bit snappy, it has been a long day. I've been sleeping around 5 hours since arriving in switzerland and its getting to me. I'm just exhausted and not all up with it right now.

As for setting up my own business and writing from anywhere, for anyone. I'm not interested in this. I'm interested in a secure, full-time position in a swiss business/company as a content writer/content marketer, in-house journalist/pr, copywriter.

Going it alone is not going to cut it long term. Businesses can much more easily muck you around as a freelancer and i am done with dealing with such crap. I've done enough of that to know that for most, it's not worth it long term. Some get lucky and hit on the perfect gigs, but most don't.
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Slightly struggling to get my head around the concept of a content / copywriter who "hasn't used a forum for many years".

When I was looking for jobs as a copywriter, I did two things. First, I practiced constantly... So make sure you write something every day to build up your skills. And second, I practiced what I preached. Over my career I wrote hundreds of speculative applications to agencies, companies, government departments... Anyone who had an opening or might need my skills.

A good copywriter must be good at selling with words. Prove it, by selling yourself and your talents to your chosen audience. It demonstrates your ability, after all.

Copywriting is hard work. Treat it as such even when looking for the initial opportunity, and you will get the role you seek.

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Slightly struggling to get my head around the concept of a content / copywriter who "hasn't used a forum for many years".
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Everything revolves around social media these days Ian, at least in Australia. I'm all over social media platforms because they are the future. Forums such as this don't even enter the equation in Australia. If it were still the 90's and early 2000's then yes, but these days no.
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I blame Tony Abbott for your predicament, woops, now its Mr Silvertounge Turnball. I have watched in dismay over the last few years the gradual decline of the Australia I used to know. From exorbidant house prices, the pandering to weathly mining interests, the cruel and inhumane treatment of refugees and asylum seekers, Australia the land of equality and the fair go that I was so proud of is gone. In the current climate, I don't blame you for wanting to leave. Good luck in your search here........,
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Thn I gss u cld wrt lik ths, bcs ppl on Twitter and th lik hve smpl mnds, LOL ;-)

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Thn I gss u cld wrt lik ths, bcs ppl on Twitter and th lik hve smpl mnds, LOL ;-)
Ha! Yeah, no thank you. Social media is unfortunately greatly dumbing down the English language. Shakespeare would be rolling in his grave if he could see what is happening.

The last thing I ever want to do is compromise proper English. It can be a elegant and powerful when used properly. I find it such a shame that these days simple, conversational English is what is pushed and desired by societies worldwide. Such simple use of English is not doing humanity any favours in the long run.

I remember reading Orwell's 1984 at a cafe, just taking a day for myself and finally reading a thought provoking novel, when I noticed the waiters/waitresses were having a little snicker over how I chose to spend my lunch. But, hey, that's to be expected living in Australia. If you live footy and drinking, you are sweet. If you like intellectual pursuits and broadening your mind you are classified a 'weirdo'. Sigh...

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