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Re: How to freelance in Switzerland?

Hi all.

How about spouses of diplomats working at the WTO? I believe there is an agreement between the WTO and the canton of Geneva allowing spouses to work, but I´m not sure if it includes self-employment. If it does, what type of permit would it be? Are there any restrictions?
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Hi all.

How about spouses of diplomats working at the WTO? I believe there is an agreement between the WTO and the canton of Geneva allowing spouses to work, but I´m not sure if it includes self-employment. If it does, what type of permit would it be? Are there any restrictions?
Permits don't change. In Switzerland there is no separate work permit. You either have a B/C/L with authorization to work or without, etc. If you have authorization to work you most likely can be self employed but you need to ask. Read you permit. It should tell you.
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Re: How to freelance in Switzerland?

Could self employed people please advice me on this thread that I just started?
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Permits don't change.
In this case they probably do . A diplomat's spouse with a Ci permit would change to a B permit if employed or self employed.
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In this case they probably do . A diplomat's spouse with a Ci permit would change to a B permit if employed or self employed.
Yeah. "Permits don't change" is not what I meant to write... I wanted to say that there are not separate resident & work permits.

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Re: How to freelance in Switzerland?

Hi guys. I've started to read this thread a couple of times but I must admit I never got through all the 20 pages or so. I've also tried to search for some clues as to the truth of the claims that have been made in another thread, but so far without success. There it has been said that if you have a day job you can start your "business" (as long as it's not more than 100k/year) by keeping simple accounts of your extra earnings and declaring it on top of your normal salary. So say I wanted to earn some extra money housekeeping, or whatever, could I do that without registering or paying a bookkeeper? As I wouldn't be earning a fortune it wouldn't be worth all that trouble. But if it's as simple as this, I'd very much like to earn some extra francs. Would I have to be able to give a receipt or anything? (Not that many people would ask for it...)
The other question is this. My salary is now declared together with my husband's salary (well, not exactly declared as we are only submitting the at source correction sheet) and he's taxed at source based on our common income. Am I right in supposing we'd have to file a regular tax return file if I was earning any more on top of that?
Thank you ever so much for your help, or even for pointing me to the page of this thread that I should be reading.
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Old 11.03.2011, 16:58
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Hi guys. I've started to read this thread a couple of times but I must admit I never got through all the 20 pages or so.
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Hi guys. I've started to read this thread a couple of times but I must admit I never got through all the 20 pages or so. I've also tried to search for some clues as to the truth of the claims that have been made in another thread, but so far without success. There it has been said that if you have a day job you can start your "business" (as long as it's not more than 100k/year) by keeping simple accounts of your extra earnings and declaring it on top of your normal salary. So say I wanted to earn some extra money housekeeping, or whatever, could I do that without registering or paying a bookkeeper? As I wouldn't be earning a fortune it wouldn't be worth all that trouble. But if it's as simple as this, I'd very much like to earn some extra francs. Would I have to be able to give a receipt or anything? (Not that many people would ask for it...)
The other question is this. My salary is now declared together with my husband's salary (well, not exactly declared as we are only submitting the at source correction sheet) and he's taxed at source based on our common income. Am I right in supposing we'd have to file a regular tax return file if I was earning any more on top of that?
Thank you ever so much for your help, or even for pointing me to the page of this thread that I should be reading.
Have a nice weekend.
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Almost but not quite as simple as that. You just have to register with the AHV/SVA as you will need to make self emploment payments on top of your employment contributions.

And yes, file a tax return.
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Re: How to freelance in Switzerland?

Hi,
I remember that when I was working at UK I could work as a freelance being paid at my home country (EU too) for a maximun of 6 months.
Anybody knows whether this rule applies also here in Switzerland, please?
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Re: How to freelance in Switzerland?

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Hi,
I remember that when I was working at UK I could work as a freelance being paid at my home country (EU too) for a maximun of 6 months.
Anybody knows whether this rule applies also here in Switzerland, please?
Thanks
Yeah, I'm curious to this as well. I don't even get why you would register an "einzel" (sole proprietorship) company at all if you already did that in another EU country. Aren't we supposed to be able to sell goods and services within the EU and Switzerland between business entities from anywhere within that area?

I should just be able to send out invoices for all worked hours from my Dutch sole proprietorship to any Swiss (or EU) company?
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Old 03.11.2013, 21:55
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Re: How to freelance in Switzerland?

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Hi,
I remember that when I was working at UK I could work as a freelance being paid at my home country (EU too) for a maximun of 6 months.
Anybody knows whether this rule applies also here in Switzerland, please?
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As a Swiss resident your liable to tax on your worldwide income & wealth, so no advantage in registering somewhere else as you need to submit multiple tax returns........
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As a Swiss resident your liable to tax on your worldwide income & wealth, so no advantage in registering somewhere else as you need to submit multiple tax returns........
Then the question becomes: what's the definition of being a Swiss resident?

According to: http://live-in-switzerland.com/e/faq...-resident.html
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A Swiss resident is somebody whose legal residence is Switzerland. This is a Swiss legal notion that means that an individual has his center of life in Switzerland. One of the consequences is that he becomes a Swiss taxpayer.

You cannot be a Swiss resident by just registering, like you would for example subscribe to a golf club but never go. This means that if you are granted a Swiss residence permit, you need to actually move to Switzerland and live there for good. If you cannot stay for 180 days a year or more, then you must make sure that you do not spend more time in any other specific country than you spend in Switzerland. That rules out residence permits given for people who spend a month a year in Switzerland.
My interpretation of that in case of Freelancing is it depends where you spend the majority of your time.
-- If you need to actually Freelance on location in Zwitserland for >180 days a year, that means you need to become a resident.
-- If not, you can just officially live and reside in whatever other EU country and send invoices from there to the Swiss client and pay taxes from there.

Is that interpretation correct?
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Old 03.11.2013, 22:08
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How to freelance in Switzerland?

If you retain a Swiss resident permit, your resident. Leave, deregister return the permit then you no longer resident & don't need to worry further about Swiss taxation.

If your working in ch for a Swiss company on a regular basis your not freelance but an employee . You need to take risk to be freelance , turning up from 8-18 2 days a week using a company PC won't cut it.

If you choose when & how to do the work like a plumber then your freelance! If you ever waited for a plumber who did not show up you will understand the significance .
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Old 03.11.2013, 22:49
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Then the question becomes: what's the definition of being a Swiss resident?

According to: http://live-in-switzerland.com/e/faq...-resident.html


My interpretation of that in case of Freelancing is it depends where you spend the majority of your time.
-- If you need to actually Freelance on location in Zwitserland for >180 days a year, that means you need to become a resident.
-- If not, you can just officially live and reside in whatever other EU country and send invoices from there to the Swiss client and pay taxes from there.

Is that interpretation correct?
Basically the situation is that if you do your work in Switzerland (for more than 9 days?) then you need to have a work permit which doubles as a resident permit. If you have a Swiss work permit then the Swiss expect you to pay tax here.

If you work here without a work permit then you run the risk of being illegal. The company that you freelance for could also use this as an excuse not to pay you i.e. refuse to support illegal activities.
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Basically the situation is that if you do your work in Switzerland (for more than 9 days?) then you need to have a work permit which doubles as a resident permit. If you have a Swiss work permit then the Swiss expect you to pay tax here.

If you work here without a work permit then you run the risk of being illegal. The company that you freelance for could also use this as an excuse not to pay you i.e. refuse to support illegal activities.
Thanks, that makes things very clear and much more devious than I thought. How nice it would be to have a common EU/Swiss tax system in this regard...
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Old 03.11.2013, 23:16
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Basically the situation is that if you do your work in Switzerland (for more than 9 days?) then you need to have a work permit which doubles as a resident permit. If you have a Swiss work permit then the Swiss expect you to pay tax here.

If you work here without a work permit then you run the risk of being illegal. The company that you freelance for could also use this as an excuse not to pay you i.e. refuse to support illegal activities.
EU citizens can work upto 90 days a year without a permit however they need to register online.
If you work just a few days (less than 9?) a year you don't need to register except in a few trades like building when you need to register before your first day of work.
If you live here you need to apply for a residents permit within 8? Days.
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EU citizens can work upto 90 days a year without a permit however they need to register online.
If you work just a few days (less than 9?) a year you don't need to register except in a few trades like building when you need to register before your first day of work.
If you live here you need to apply for a residents permit within 8? Days.
About "EU citizens can work upto 90 days a year without a permit however they need to register online."

I know, for example, you can register on-line in both Basel Stadt & Basel Land but I do not know if every Kanton offers this service on-line?

BTW, my experience is that many people & companies here do not fully understand this option. Mainly (I think) because it is not easy for Swiss companies to check if people have actually registered on-line?

I also think this 90 day option is a one-off thing & it is not easy to extend the 90 days - on the basis that if you know you will be here for longer then you should have applied for a permit in the first place - but probably somebody knows better than me.
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About "EU citizens can work upto 90 days a year without a permit however they need to register online."

I know, for example, you can register on-line in both Basel Stadt & Basel Land but I do not know if every Kanton offers this service on-line?

BTW, my experience is that many people & companies here do not fully understand this option. Mainly (I think) because it is not easy for Swiss companies to check if people have actually registered on-line?

I also think this 90 day option is a one-off thing & it is not easy to extend the 90 days - on the basis that if you know you will be here for longer then you should have applied for a permit in the first place - but probably somebody knows better than me.

It's max 90 days in a year.......year after year if you want. It's not for employees or residents .but real freelancers!
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Re: How to freelance in Switzerland?

Hi everyone!
My wife got a job in Switzerland and we decided to move here this summer. I quit my job to move in together and try luck here, but in my field it isn't easy without knowing the local language.
After much thought, I have decided to work on a project that I had on my mind for a long time now, it consists of a web application, mobile applications and those sort of things. I have been reading several threads on starting your own company or freelancing in Switzerland but I'm still quite confused.
For my project I will need an initial investment I'm willing to take on and hopefully in a few months I will start to have some revenue. But it's not like I'll have a specific customer etc, as my sales will be through the App Store, advertisements etc. So, would I qualify as self-employed in this case? Or should I start a company as sole trader? Or nothing at all?
I would appreciate any advice!!
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Re: How to freelance in Switzerland?

I forgot to mention, I'm from EU and have a B permit.
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