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Re: How to protect the next big idea ?

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im convinced could be as big as the iphone
note that there was barely anything new about the iphone. the biggest about the iphone was the combination of all existing parts and the way it was marketed. unless you are a marketing genius like Steve Jobs, it is unlikely that it will be as big as the iphone.
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Old 05.12.2016, 20:21
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I am not sure if a coffee chat among friends is public disclosure or not.

Swiss law Art. 7 PatA
The state of the art comprises everything made available to the public by means of a written or oral description, by use, or in any other way prior to the filing or priority date.

U.S. law 35 U.S.C. § 102
A person shall be entitled to a patent unless ... the claimed invention was patented, described in a printed publication, or in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to the public before the effective filing date of the claimed invention.

At least this one says a chat with "close friends" is not public disclosure.
http://blog.edisonnation.com/2015/04...ic-disclosure/

The biggest risk? You never know which third party may have an ear in the conversation and may use the information for his own good. Talking on the phone on the train? Very bad idea. No one on the train is bound to any confidentially can can use the knowledge as they wish. Even file the patent before you.
Patents require novelty: UK and EU have absolute novelty standard

http://patentlyprotected.com/answers...answers31.html

You can check this wikipedia for further references, but it is established that just one person not under NDA being told is sufficient for that information to enter into the 'state of the art':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelt...ent_Convention
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You can check this wikipedia for further references, but it is established that just one person not under NDA being told is sufficient for that information to enter into the 'state of the art':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelt...ent_Convention
Thank you. But in the case your application is disputed by just one of your old "friends" as already being disclosed in the coffee room? Where is the evidence . Two or more friends turning against you or just being sour? They may have a case. Your whole company? The parnell-do-hikey? You mean the one he was constantly talking about at every coffee break and lunch? That for sure is gone.
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Re: How to protect the next big idea ?

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note that there was barely anything new about the iphone. the biggest about the iphone was the combination of all existing parts and the way it was marketed.
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Re: How to protect the next big idea ?

I would get in touch with angel investors. Of course it is hard to talk about your idea without disclosing it until you have confidence, it is hard to get attention from such people and lastly it is hard to find them anyway. However I would go only that way - if you believe your invention is good, go for it, find the funds and start a business out of it. Don't bother spending your money to get the patent and then you will still sit on your ass thinking how to get money back. There was many patents bought just to be kept in the shelf or even there were patents which never got into production until they expired.
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Thank you. But in the case your application is disputed by just one of your old "friends" as already being disclosed in the coffee room?
yes, there may be some gap between theory and practice. i've never filed a patent so not sure if you need to declare that it is novel and not disclosed at the time of application. of course if so, you could still make a fraudulent application...
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Re: How to protect the next big idea ?

https://www.allbusiness.com/97-perce...5258080-1.html

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What I’ve realized is, most people who file for patents don’t know how their idea is going to be manufactured. They’ve never asked, “Can my idea be manufactured at a competitive price?” Because it doesn’t matter how great your product is: if it cannot be manufactured at a price that is comparable to your competitors’, it will never be made or sold.
Not to mention that there are corporations holding "bullshit" patents and having enormous money to fight against you claiming prior patent if you make any slight success with your endeavour.
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Old 05.12.2016, 22:14
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Re: How to protect the next big idea ?

Thx all... have PM'd a poster here... will see what comes.
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Re: How to protect the next big idea ?

I remember a story of my mother's schoolfriend who told about her invention her rich friend (she wanted to get a piece of advice and may be some funds) and that "millionaire" had stolen her idea. He made a business on that invention (something with a plants feeding) and then asked her to work on him like in gratitude.
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Re: How to protect the next big idea ?

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So i have an idea , for a consumer products device that im convinced could be as big as the iphone... i was thinking of talking to Logitech because they're Swiss and i like their products...

I've talked to a few people at work and they love the idea but say that I should get a patent but I was wondering if others here might have already travelled this path and would know better.

thx.
Even if Logitech is a Swiss registered company, make sure you get yourself covered in the US market. You may want to consult with a US patent attorney in addition to a Swiss IP attorney.

Remember to never, ever show or give your prototype product or its documents without having NDAs signed. HERE is an article to help.

HERE is the site for the Swiss patent office.
HERE is the site for the US patent office.

Good luck!
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Re: How to protect the next big idea ?

Talk to a patent attorney ASAP. If you did disclose the idea (even verbally) it might be too late though. Hopefully you did provide an enabling disclosure of your idea (meaning not detailed enough to qualify as prior art).

No need for a US attorney yet. Just make sure you get a first filing asap. As it has been mentioned, a European Patent application costs you no fees and gives you 12 months to get the funding for a follow-up patent application covering whichever country you want. This is when the costs go up.

But make sure your first filing is COMPLETE and BROAD. Do NOT save the 10k that a good patent attorney would charge you for drafting your first application since adding anything to it later means you loose your first filing date.

Good luck and PM me if you need advice on a patent attorney (not advertising my services as I am working as inhouse patent counsel).

P.S. make sure you do not write anything in here that can link to you - as you provided written confession that you disclosed your idea publicly.
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