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Old 03.04.2017, 19:54
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Re: Self-employed in France, Swiss resident visa B - set up tax status here

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yeah you remind of me this. exactly, I am doing self-employ business, why do I have to prove to the Swiss authorities that I will have positive affect on Switzerland's labour market? I am confuse now.

As I say, I will have the B permit, which allows me to work in Switzerland. But I will be just doing my old business, so the taxes i will pay is my personal income? Because I shouldn't pay income for my company, because it is not base in Switzerland. And i will only pay for my personal income if I have any. At my start up time, I don't think I will have any profits.
Again, you need to do more research. You are confusing too many things together.

Read some of the threads and links provided to you. Then come back with more clear questions.

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A sole trader is self employed. There is not "company to pay taxes. It's only you. You pay taxes on whatever business is generated. You and the business are one and the same. So, you will be living and working in Switzerland. So you will be paying taxes in Switzerland.

If you want to start a "real" company you need to set up an SARL or an SA, at least if the business is a Swiss company. Ownership of these companies is not relevant. You can own it alone or with others. Then these companies would pay you a salary. This salary would be taxes where you work, IE Switzerland.

In any case, if you are the owner of a business in another country you still need to list that on your taxes as assets.
Thank you so much!
I want to incorporate my company, but I have to ask lawyer about this at the later steps, because I don't want this to affect my personal assets. still, it is a sole proprietor. I am thinking to incorporate my company as soon as possible. I will only pay taxes if I have any income I think.

Thank you very much for clearing that out. I thought people talk about self-employed is same as sole proprietor.

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Again, you need to do more research. You are confusing too many things together.

Read some of the threads and links provided to you. Then come back with more clear questions.

you are right, i am sorry, i am new at this.

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Old 03.04.2017, 20:02
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Re: Self-employed in France, Swiss resident visa B - set up tax status here

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Sorry, I want to start a company, but I am the sole owner for the beginning, and i will be working for myself.
I remember there is a business type is sole ownership. I think that is equal to self-employed, no?
Yes, and you're making things too complicated. You can start as a sole trader which means you basically do the work yourself. If you want to expand later on and start hiring people then you can change the company into a GmbH if you prefer.

At the moment your permit is for residence only. Although you have the right to work you must inform the Swiss authorities first which, for self-employment, means you need to present a business plan and show you have sufficient funding to keep the business going for the first few months while it gets established. If they agree then you'll need to exchange your permit for a new one which will state that you are also self-employed here. It will say something like "acitivite emploi independant" on the back of the new permit indicating that you're a self-employed person.

You can't just start working as self-employed. You have to get approval to do so. If they don't agree with the business plan then you can't do it.

If you want to try and run it through a foreign company then it's a totally different problem and you should talk to the cantonal migration, taxation and employment offices to find out if it's possible.
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Old 03.04.2017, 20:06
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I heard people said if you want to start a business, you have to hold a C permit, or show the immigrant office that you will hire local people?
The only people who have an automatic right to establish a business are Swiss citizens, EU/EEA citizens and C permit holders. All others need permission and none of us can tell you with any certainty how that will go.
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Old 03.04.2017, 20:08
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Thank you so much!
I want to incorporate my company, but I have to ask lawyer about this at the later steps, because I don't want this to affect my personal assets. still, it is a sole proprietor. I am thinking to incorporate my company as soon as possible. I will only pay taxes if I have any income I think.

Thank you very much for clearing that out. I thought people talk about self-employed is same as sole proprietor.
Sole proprietor is the same as some trader which is the same as self employed. You do not 'incorporate'.

Incorporating is creating a corporate entity (SA or SArl).
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Re: Self-employed in France, Swiss resident visa B - set up tax status here

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Sole proprietor is the same as some trader which is the same as self employed. You do not 'incorporate'.

Incorporating is creating a corporate entity (SA or SArl).
but that is what I wanted to do, i want to create a corporate entity...But I have to ask lawyer about this part.... I hope it will work for me, because i don't want my company affect our personal assets.
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Old 03.04.2017, 20:17
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Re: Self-employed in France, Swiss resident visa B - set up tax status here

More on sole trader status here:

https://www.startups.ch/en/inform/de...roprietorship/

As a sole proprietor/trader your company name must include your surname. So it could be like Smith's Plumbing Services or Evans IT Training for example.

Edit: if you don't want your personal assets threatened in any way then sole trader is not for you. You'd be personally liable for any of the company's debts. You would need to look at a GmbH instead which will require minimum capital of CHF20,000.

https://www.startups.ch/en/inform/details/gmbh/
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Re: Self-employed in France, Swiss resident visa B - set up tax status here

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More on sole trader status here:

https://www.startups.ch/en/inform/de...roprietorship/

As a sole proprietor/trader your company name must include your surname. So it could be like Smith's Plumbing Services or Evans IT Training for example.

Edit: if you don't want your personal assets threatened in any way then sole trader is not for you. You'd be personally liable for any of the company's debts. You would need to look at a GmbH instead which will require minimum capital of CHF20,000.

https://www.startups.ch/en/inform/details/gmbh/


yes this is the one I want. Thank you very much. A newbie like me could really learn a lot from you guys.
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Old 03.04.2017, 21:23
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Re: Self-employed in France, Swiss resident visa B - set up tax status here

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I haven't start the business in Canada yet...
And my husband works at IT field, and he is good at it, so it shouldn't be a problem for him to get a job there i think.
Looks like there is a long road ahead...
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Re: Gmbh and Company Director Requirements

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Do you know if there is a minimum salary that a business owner needs to pay himself in order to meet the minimum AVS calculation of CHF480 (?) per year so that his AVS contributions are not calculated on the basis of his wealth?

This is important for start up businesses which may not be making much money at the beginning.
I am surprised to hear that there is a minumum salary that a business owner needs to pay himself.
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I am surprised to hear that there is a minumum salary that a business owner needs to pay himself.
Well, if you read the links a lot of people have posted for you so far.....
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Re: Can I start a business with a B permit?

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Looks like there is a long road ahead...
that is why i am planning it ahead.
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that is why i am planning it ahead.
Better start reading all the advice and links given. As a non EU/B permit holder you have no right to start your own business so you need a solid business plan
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Old 03.04.2017, 22:17
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Re: Can I start a business with a B permit?

Joanna, I appreciate you're enthusiastic and wanting to research as much as possible. I've combined your posts into one thread, so that our members are not duplicating replies across multiple threads.

There is a LOT of good information here, and many of your questions have been answered multiple times. Probably some questions you've not even thought of yet. So take your time reviewing it.
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Better start reading all the advice and links given. As a non EU/B permit holder you have no right to start your own business so you need a solid business plan
She would be an EU B permit holder. Her husband is an EU citizen.
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Re: Can I start a business with a B permit?

But even for an EU B permit holder the law on the necessity for an accepted business plan is clear. I quoted this bit earlier in the thread.
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Only holders of a valid C permit (settlement permit for third-country nationals), the spouse of a C permit holder or the spouse of a Swiss citizen have the legal right to establish their own business in Switzerland.

All other persons have no legal right to set up their own business. They must submit an application to the respective cantonal authorities. Apart from the necessary personal requirements, it is decisive in the evaluation that the company will have a "lasting positive effect or influence on the Swiss labour market".

I suggest doing a search on here for "Business Plan". I'm sure there is some good stuff from people with similar requirements but I haven't the time to sort the wheat from the chaff at the moment.
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Apart from the necessary personal requirements, it is decisive in the evaluation that the company will have a "lasting positive effect or influence on the Swiss labour market".
When I approached my local Gemeinde's tax office last year to ask about setting up a small business, they kindly pointed out that there were three other businesses in the area providing the same service but they were running at capacity, so it would be better for me to work in collaberation with the existing businesses taking their 'overflow' of work. The entire emphasis of the chat was what can your business provide that would be beneficial to the community.
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But even for an EU B permit holder the law on the necessity for an accepted business plan is clear. I quoted this bit earlier in the thread.
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Only holders of a valid C permit (settlement permit for third-country nationals), the spouse of a C permit holder or the spouse of a Swiss citizen have the legal right to establish their own business in Switzerland.

All other persons have no legal right to set up their own business. They must submit an application to the respective cantonal authorities. Apart from the necessary personal requirements, it is decisive in the evaluation that the company will have a "lasting positive effect or influence on the Swiss labour market".

I suggest doing a search on here for "Business Plan". I'm sure there is some good stuff from people with similar requirements but I haven't the time to sort the wheat from the chaff at the moment.
The link you posted was for 'third country nationals'.

This is the link for EU nationals.

https://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu/en/home...efta-area.html


All nationals of EU/EFTA Member States may also be self-employed (with specific regulations for nationals of Croatia) have the right to live and work freely in Switzerland. They can thus also become self-employed.

According to the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons, self-employed entrepreneurs can set up their business without a permanent residence permission (C permit). It is sufficient to have a B permit, which is valid for five years. At registration in Switzerland though, the planned self-employed activity needs to be proven. Proof can be provided for example with a valid VAT number, an entry into the professional register, the registration at the social insurance as self-employed entrepreneur, a business plan, accounting figures or the entry in the Commercial Register. For more information, contact the cantonal migration offices.
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The entire emphasis of the chat was what can your business provide that would be beneficial to the community.
Paying yet more taxes !

That was easy to answer.
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The link you posted was for 'third country nationals'.
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I am a non-EU citizen
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