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Starting a business when already employed fulltime

I have a full-time job (100%), but I feel as though my job is a dead-end job and the idea of entrepreneurship really appeals to me. I would like to dip my toes into the waters of self employment instead of diving in head-first. Basically I would like to start off small on the side, and if I have sufficient income to sustain myself, I will quit later.

From a logistics perspective, how can I register a GmbH while still having a full-time job? The way I understand it, is the client has a contract with the GmbH to perform certain work, and then the GmbH has a work contract with the owner. The owner then has to pay AHV contributions, among other taxes, however this would already be covered by the primary job. There have been several threads about this same topic, but no clear solutions, just a lot of suggestions about make sure your employer is OK with it, etc.

I cannot be employed more than 100%. So how does this work with the AHV? Is there some way that I can receive the proceeds from the GmbH without a work contract with the GmbH?

I am OK with having to pay whatever I need to in taxes on this potential side income. I am not looking for tax loopholes. If it came down to it, I would also be OK with losing my primary job. I would not be OK with getting sued, getting some major fine or going to jail.
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Old 02.10.2017, 21:58
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Re: Starting a business when already employed fulltime

Starting a GmbH is an expensive business and simply protects you from your irate customers. Many companies are simply individuals trading. Why not do that until you need to resign your main job?

You need to keep accounts and declare your income for tax. Apart from that your employer is expecting you to be able to work normally, so don't tell them you have a second job, or they might dismiss you immediately.
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Apart from that your employer is expecting you to be able to work normally, so don't tell them you have a second job, or they might dismiss you immediately.
Or do tell them, so you're all in the clear, and just make sure that your side-line business doesn't interfere with your ability to work normally.
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Re: Starting a business when already employed fulltime

If I were to go the Einzelfirma route, would I still be able to bill companies for performing work? I would be perform IT consulting, mainly development. I thought for this type of work, companies prefer to deal with a GmbH over an Einzelfirma.
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Re: Starting a business when already employed fulltime

Just check your contract that you are allowed to start your own business without notifying your employer? Sometimes there is a clause that says you need their approval first
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Just check your contract that you are allowed to start your own business without notifying your employer? Sometimes there is a clause that says you need their approval first
Even to have a side job.
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