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A1 Certificate required for all foreign business travel

This is to do with AHV - not language!

Roche have notified all their Swiss resident employees of the need for an A1 certificate for all business travel into the EEA. And it's only valid for a single business trip.

I'd never heard of it before, but it seems that not having one could have quite serious consequences.

https://www.bdo.ch/en-gb/insights/sp...tant-questions
https://www.bdo.ch/getmedia/b98bd0f0...n-BDO.pdf.aspx (Original German version).

The online form for Basel Stadt is here, I think.
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Old 30.08.2019, 14:35
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Oh my, and I stupidly thought it was the language certificate 😂
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Oh my, and I stupidly thought it was the language certificate 😂
I've edited my post for clarification!
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Re: A1 Certificate required for all foreign business travel

Also known as Form A1 (not to be confused with Permit A38)
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Old 30.08.2019, 14:44
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Re: A1 Certificate required for all foreign business travel

i've never heard of this before. so if i go for a meeting, say, in prague or paris or frankfurt, i need to apply for this certificate?
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Re: A1 Certificate required for all foreign business travel

Swiss residents or Swiss nationals?
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Old 30.08.2019, 14:54
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i've never heard of this before. so if i go for a meeting, say, in prague or paris or frankfurt, i need to apply for this certificate?
Yes, apparently. It seems ridiculously bureaucratic to me.
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Residents. Anyone who pays into AHV.
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Old 30.08.2019, 14:55
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Re: A1 Certificate required for all foreign business travel

Luckily I´m not in my old job then.... used to have to go somewhere in Europe for work every week. Phew!
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Old 30.08.2019, 15:00
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Yes, apparently. It seems ridiculously bureaucratic to me.
Maybe after a while, and after the imminent backlash from business, they'll issue an ESTA-style multi-version?

Does sound like a hell of a bore to complete such a form every time you have to go for a meeting over the border.
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Old 30.08.2019, 15:03
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Maybe after a while, and after the imminent backlash from business, they'll issue an ESTA-style multi-version?

Does sound like a hell of a bore to complete such a form every time you have to go for a meeting over the border.
I'm not sure, but it does appear that if you spend more than 10% of your time working abroad, then a multi-version can be applied for.
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Maybe after a while, and after the imminent backlash from business, they'll issue an ESTA-style multi-version?

Does sound like a hell of a bore to complete such a form every time you have to go for a meeting over the border.



What you mean a bit like a Schengen visa ?
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Re: A1 Certificate required for all foreign business travel

Holy bureaucratic nightmare!
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Old 30.08.2019, 16:00
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This is to do with AHV - not language!

Roche have notified all their Swiss resident employees of the need for an A1 certificate for all business travel into the EEA. And it's only valid for a single business trip.

I'd never heard of it before, but it seems that not having one could have quite serious consequences.

https://www.bdo.ch/en-gb/insights/sp...tant-questions
https://www.bdo.ch/getmedia/b98bd0f0...n-BDO.pdf.aspx (Original German version).

The online form for Basel Stadt is here, I think.
Roche need to get better advisors that BDO, to start with! It is not needed for every business trip and where it is needed it can be done retroactively as ruled by the ECJ.
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Old 30.08.2019, 16:09
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Roche need to get better advisors that BDO, to start with! It is not needed for every business trip and where it is needed it can be done retroactively as ruled by the ECJ.
That was links I found. Not from the information Roche sent. But Roche do say that all trips need to be covered. I have found a document from PwC that says

Due to the introduction of the electronic application procedure for issuing the A1 certificate, there is no need to apply for an A1 certificate for every business trip to the EU or Switzerland. The simplifications described above with regard to the application for the A1 certificate by the caselaw of the European Court of Justice and the statement of the EU Commission continue to apply. If, due to social security law or other legal or operational requirements, there is an obligation to submit a report or, due to the national implementation of the EU Posting of Workers Directive, an obligation to report, the A1 certificate generally must be applied for before the start of travel.

So it could be that Roche are being overly cautious.

Germany apparently say that it's not necessary for short-notice or business travel less than one week.
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Re: A1 Certificate required for all foreign business travel

I have one for my work in Greece. Have never needed it for every trip - it's valid for 2 years - but I can imagine you might need a separate one for every country. I guess it also depends whether it's slightly trivial trips - i.e. the odd meeting - or more regular work that would normally be subject to soc sec deductions in that country
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Re: A1 Certificate required for all foreign business travel

With no passport checks within Shengen, how will these A1 Certificates be policed and enforced??
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With no passport checks within Shengen, how will these A1 Certificates be policed and enforced??
When we had consultants in from Austria, people from AWA (?) came to check their papers. Imagine the same happens in other countries.
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With no passport checks within Shengen, how will these A1 Certificates be policed and enforced??
I don't think it was ever intended to be policed in that since. Perhaps if you were crossing over a border point on a regular basis and be came well known at the border they might ask to see it.

The objective is that you the employee are properly insured while working in another EU state, so if you were going on a trip and your employer was not able to deliver on the A1 cert it would put you on notice that all was not well. I'd say it is more of a concern if you were going say for two months, some that might encourage your employer to play games...
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