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Hi All,

I have recently moved to Bern and have managed to keep my work contract with an Australian company (they have no offices or services in Switzerland). I am of course, working remotely and i am now trying to research how i want to have my pay delivered.

I am considering
a. Establishing myself as a sole trader
b. Setup/register a simple AusgleichKasse in Kanton bern. https://www.akbern.ch/private/beitra...n-arbeitgeber/

I would really appreciate some advice / step by step process on all this. I understand i could go to a "Treuhänder" but this seems expensive and complicated for what should be simple.

Appreciate any help.
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Old 12.11.2020, 11:21
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Re: Employed aboard, working remotely from Switzerland

Welcome to the forum.

Do you have a family reunification or concubine permit via your Swiss sweetheart?
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Re: Employed aboard, working remotely from Switzerland

This is incredibly complicated and your company could be creating a Permanent Establishment in Switzerland by virtue of you working here.

If you can persuade them, perhaps they could undergo the expenditure as otherwise it brings them a significant business risk?

If not, then I think you need to understand how the law affects you to avoid any personal risks/costs. It could be money well spent in the long run.
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Re: Employed aboard, working remotely from Switzerland

Thanks for the welcome Medea. I should have mentioned that i have a Swiss Permit B (Swiss Sweetheart... precisely)

Cider Woman, i don't think the company would be very interested in creating a permanent establishment here in Switzerland.
hmm, perhaps i am best to get legal advice to set all this up.


option 3, is to pay Aus Tax via my companies normal processing and then via "The Australian Swiss Tax Treaty" i would be able to claim most of it back from Aus and then pay Switz Tax (i am sure it will be less than AUS Tax).

Option 4, find a Swiss job haha
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Re: Employed aboard, working remotely from Switzerland

Based on what you described, these are your options:

1. ANOBAG: per your link above.
2. Establish a legal entity which would employ you, e.g., a GmbH.
- An Einzelfirma (self-employment) without a legal entity would not likely be approved since you have only one customer.
3. Engage a Swiss payroll service to employ you.

For more information, search EF on "anobag", "self-employ", "einzelfirma".

The "permanent establishment" concern expressed above is likely very low risk.
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Re: Employed aboard, working remotely from Switzerland

Thanks Mullhollander.

Forum legend, thanks a bunch.

I think you are right regarding the starting a GmbH. with only one customer, "a slim chance" is what i've been told.

I think I will persist with ANOBAG.

I will provide an update on how i get on.

Thanks.
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Forum legend, thanks a bunch.

I think you are right regarding the starting a GmbH. with only one customer, "a slim chance" is what i've been told.
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A GmbH can have a single customer, there are no regulations.
A sole trader might not have a single customer as this might be considered as
bogus self-employment (Scheinselbständigkeit).
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Re: Employed aboard, working remotely from Switzerland

tax wise its a no brainer to be GmbH instead of individual trader. you can't pay yourself dividends as an individual / pass through company. tax rate difference potentially ~ 19% vs 55% depending on where you live and how much you make.
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