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Poor craftsmanship

Below is a link to an article in 20 minutes It is a story about a fellow hiring painters in germany to avoid the cost of Swiss painters. The job was very bad. Little he could do about it.

https://www.20min.ch/story/handwerke...h-102883926168

Switzerland was once known for the quality of work. This was based u8pon the apprenticeship programs. Unforntunat5ely even the big companies are hiring cheap labour out of country. They are doing a bad. job.

What I do not like is that people take an apprenticeship and then can not get jobs.
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Old 21.06.2021, 13:37
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Re: Poor craftsmanship

I don't think that has anything to do with the Swiss apprenticeship scheme. The person in that article tried to get the work done on the cheap, didn't do due diligence re the company and that was the result.
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Re: Poor craftsmanship

What's the link between Swiss apprenticeships and scammers from Germany?
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Below is a link to an article in 20 minutes It is a story about a fellow hiring painters in germany to avoid the cost of Swiss painters. The job was very bad. Little he could do about it.

https://www.20min.ch/story/handwerke...h-102883926168

Switzerland was once known for the quality of work. This was based u8pon the apprenticeship programs. Unforntunat5ely even the big companies are hiring cheap labour out of country. They are doing a bad. job.

What I do not like is that people take an apprenticeship and then can not get jobs.
Looks like you didn't read the article.
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Old 21.06.2021, 14:07
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Re: Poor craftsmanship

What the article neglected to include, which would have been interesting, is what he was charged in the end from the Swiss company.

Would it have changed the tone of the article?

Serves the guy right though.
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Old 21.06.2021, 23:06
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Re: Poor craftsmanship

According to the article, the Swiss guy hails from the same "north macedonian" city as the painters which he hired. I fail to see any Switzerland / Germany divide in terms of apprenticeship schemes and service providers, rather a dispute between guys from the same "north macedonian" city...
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Re: Poor craftsmanship

Seems like the OP is generally annoyed at their perception that companies are hiring cheap poor quality foreign labour rather than qualified Swiss labour and I guess provides this story as a warning.
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What's the link between Swiss apprenticeships and scammers from Germany?
The link is the people who are hiring people from out of the country because they are cheaper. I am saying that in the long run it will hurt those who do an apprenticeship

Of course you get what you pay for. The apprentices know all the rules and regulations. Also they know quality. The scammers cut corners and you get poor qualitity

Some of the big companies hiring from out of the country also.
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Old 22.06.2021, 17:19
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The link is the people who are hiring people from out of the country because they are cheaper. I am saying that in the long run it will hurt those who do an apprenticeship

Of course you get what you pay for. The apprentices know all the rules and regulations. Also they know quality. The scammers cut corners and you get poor qualitity

Some of the big companies hiring from out of the country also.
No shit save for a few exceptions all the people in EF is from out of the country.
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Old 22.06.2021, 17:21
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Re: Poor craftsmanship

Somebody cannot paint his own walls? Don’t blame anyone and acquire own skills. There’s no better quality in the world than DIY to one’s desired standards. Even Swiss won’t beat that.

But seriously, what is really Swiss quality or German quality, huh? Standard service that cost elsewhere reasonable amount of money, which here it will be super expensive.

This is just to change the Focus of the discussion

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Re: Poor craftsmanship

A person who does and apprenticeship knows about the quality of products used, know how to do things. A person who has not had the proper training will make all kinds of mistakes.
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No shit save for a few exceptions all the people in EF is from out of the country.
People from outside the country can also have training.

Point to ask the people who are doing work for you for their qualifications and experience.

I know a person who had to rein stall windows that were actually put in upside down.
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Re: Poor craftsmanship

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The link is the people who are hiring people from out of the country because they are cheaper. I am saying that in the long run it will hurt those who do an apprenticeship

Of course you get what you pay for. The apprentices know all the rules and regulations. Also they know quality. The scammers cut corners and you get poor qualitity

Some of the big companies hiring from out of the country also.
I can only assume you have never dealt with swiss electricians.
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Re: Poor craftsmanship

i have been working on swiss construction sites since 2008, the quality of materials is the best i have seen, the standard of design is phenominal, the average house is built to bunker standard, it all falls down at the employees, like me they are all foreign, i can count on one hand the times ive seen a swissy on the tools, the large companies tend to have gangs of about 8 0r 10 people, and anything up to 10/ 20 gangs per company, each gang will be a group of men nearly always related/ same village, with a pecking order, each gang has a strict time schedule for each job, what you need to remember is each man is earning in a day what they get in a week back home, they are on yearly permits for first few years, (despite rumours, they are the least likely to commit crime, as the permit is akin to a lottery win for some of these men),they work very hard, but sometimes, in fear of their jobs, corners get cut to keep to schedules, dont blame the workers, these large companies are extremely mercenary in how they treat the workers
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