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Hi,
I got a job offer and contract from a company that I wouldn't mind working for if it wasn't for my current mental health condition.
I only accepted the offer verbally and didn't sign or write anything saying that I accept it. Now, I'm a bit embarrassed having to call my "new employer" and tell them that I don't see myself currently fit for the job. During the interview, I was happy to work for them but a lot can happen in a short span.
Can I still back off from the job offer without having to mention this and even if the contract was already sent to me without any legal repercussions?
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Old 20.08.2021, 10:20
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Hi,
I got a job offer and contract from a company that I wouldn't mind working for if it wasn't for my current mental health condition.
I only accepted the offer verbally and didn't sign or write anything saying that I accept it. Now, I'm a bit embarrassed having to call my "new employer" and tell them that I don't see myself currently fit for the job. During the interview, I was happy to work for them but a lot can happen in a short span.
Can I still back off from the job offer without having to mention this and even if the contract was already sent to me without any legal repercussions?
Thank you!
As you haven't signed yet, you can step back.
But you MUST let them know immediately, after all they need an employee and they think they got one! Don't let them hanging, declining all the other suitable applicants because they think they hired you! That would cause a real mess to them.
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Verbal is considered as acceptance. All you can hope for is to explain your situation to the company and rely on their goodwill. It's likely they would rather hire someone else than onboard someone with mental health issues who does not even want the job.

However, are you sure you can't work through these issues? If this mental health condition has appeared only since you accepted a job offer then I assume it hasn't been very long and is not something so severe.
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Verbal is considered as acceptance. All you can hope for is to explain your situation to the company and rely on their goodwill. It's likely they would rather hire someone else than onboard someone with mental health issues who does not even want the job.

However, are you sure you can't work through these issues? If this mental health condition has appeared only since you accepted a job offer then I assume it hasn't been very long and is not something so severe.
It's not really about goodwill. There is an agreement but also a probation period with 7 days notice. I can't imagine that any employer would mind if the OP would honestly tell. On the contrary, they would be relieved as it saves them money and effort - with the exception if it would be a temp 1-2 weeks job.
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Verbal is considered as acceptance. All you can hope for is to explain your situation to the company and rely on their goodwill. It's likely they would rather hire someone else than onboard someone with mental health issues who does not even want the job.

However, are you sure you can't work through these issues? If this mental health condition has appeared only since you accepted a job offer then I assume it hasn't been very long and is not something so severe.
Thank you for your replies.

My issues have been there for a while now it is just that these past days it just got worse and I didn't seek help before. It's not that I don't want the job (and there are also no other jobs in sight) but I feel like I wouldn't be able to give them my 100%.

Also, I forgot to mention that there is the agency through which I initially applied too, but the position is permanent and I'm confused about who I need to tell this to first. I've had contact with both of them and the manager of the company contact me directly too.
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Re: Terminate contract before starting

Whilst you may feel embarrassed there it's quite simple to write a letter or email that simply states that you have found that you are unable to begin work for medical reasons. You do not need to specifically tell them what/when/why.


However, I would ask - do you have a therapist ? They would be someone you can talk to who can assess your condition, relieve your burden somewhat and help you to work through what may or may not be possible for you...



I experience panic episodes. They run in my family quite strongly, especially the women, although I suspect the men simply bury it and don't talk about it... I certainly have them when I am just about to start a new job or project, or when I have been holding high stress for a long time then the stress comes down a bit... or within 24 -48 hours after any sort of severe shock or trauma. It is highly distressing but it is possible to be 'high functioning anxious' - which means we push on and are able to achieve lots of things and still live with anxiety.


On the other hand, my specialist (I see a psychiatrist for therapy) says that anxiety is actually one of the easiest of the mental health conditions to treat - so if you are experiencing anxiety - definitely consider it to be curable with the right treatment - a combination of cognitive behavioural 'talking' therapy plus medication and also some lifestyle changes, are considered to be the 'gold standard' for treating anxiety and depression.
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Re: Terminate contract before starting

I've been on the other side - had candidates accept verbally, and then go elsewhere before signing quite often. Annoying, but part of the process.

The really problematic ones are those that sign the contract, and then a week before the start date send an email saying they won't start due to <insert random excuse>.

These, in theory, you could follow up legally for lost revenue, working notice period, etc... but what's the point?

Switzerland is a tiny marketplace, and burning bridges (on either side) will have negative repercussions far worse than any form of legal action can do.

My suggestion is to call the hiring manager, explain the situation, apologize and ask them if it's possible to defer until a date that you would be feeling better. This will push the rejection from you telling them "no", to them telling you "no". At which point you can say that you understand, and hope that you can work together at some point in future on other opportunities.
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Thank you for your replies.

My issues have been there for a while now it is just that these past days it just got worse and I didn't seek help before. It's not that I don't want the job (and there are also no other jobs in sight) but I feel like I wouldn't be able to give them my 100%.

Also, I forgot to mention that there is the agency through which I initially applied too, but the position is permanent and I'm confused about who I need to tell this to first. I've had contact with both of them and the manager of the company contact me directly too.
Many people without significant mental issues don't even give a job 100%. Take the job and get therapy, otherwise you have not given yourself a chance and failed before you have even begun.
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Re: Terminate contract before starting

When I started at one place, another new starter called in to say he wouldn't be coming. It happens. Technically he could have been required to work a week (or pay for someone else to come in), but what would have been the point?

If you've 7 days notice in the first week, you simply give notice more than 7 days from your job starting and there's no issue at all. Really, there's nothing to worry about.

But. Seek help for you mental issues and tell your new employer. They may wait for you a little while. It's cheaper than going through the search process again. You've certainly nothing to lose, and if they wait and you recover, it's win win.
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It's not that I don't want the job (and there are also no other jobs in sight) but I feel like I wouldn't be able to give them my 100%.
Well, no one can give 100% all the time. We are people, not machines.

Don't be so hard on yourself. The job may not need you give all you have all the time. Sometimes there's not much to do, sometimes you need to work a bit more. So, personal up and downs, and workload also going up and down.

For once I agree with Chuff, people without significant issues don't give their 100%. Ever seen one of your sleepless colleagues that has two kids under 5 years old? They make their best, but their best is far from 100%. I do my best to work with them and support them in their challenges, one day I might be in that situation

PS. I recovered some years ago from being so hard on myself. Several reasons: not healthy, not productive, unhappy, etc. One counter-intuitive situation is that the more you worry, the less productive you become and get into more problems, more stress, and even less productive.....a sinking spiral. My way to break out was to stop giving a phuck, counterintuitively I could get more things done in less time, and less stress. I guess it's related to the part of being humans, not machines.
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Can I still back off from the job offer without having to mention this and even if the contract was already sent to me without any legal repercussions?
Thank you!
Generally, a verbal agreement is binding. However that doesn't apply if there's going to be a written contract, like in your case. So yes, legally and morally it's Ok for you to change your mind.

That said, I think Spinal's advice is excellent, perhaps see if the start can be delayed, or if your condition is no hindrance from their point of view. They're probably interested in not having to go thru the entire process again, there's no harm in asking.
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Without a written contract I would have no hesitation in pulling out. And, there are enough stories about companies making verbal offers and then pulling back before a contract has been signed with excuses such as: found an internal candidate, job approval has been rescinded, etc...

What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander.

If you haven't signed anything, just let them know that you have decided against it. That's all you need to do.
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I've decided to accept the job and try it out.
So far, it's going well, but I feel a bit underpaid and wanted to ask if someone could advise me please?
I'm still in my probation period and the role is Junior Payroll Specialist and for this role I'm paid CHF 72k a year, they don't have a 13th-month salary.
I'm thinking to ask them to raise my salary once I have my talk with them before the end of my probation period if they want me to stay and I don't think I can stay if they don't agree to this. However, I'm not sure if I'm in a position to do so, every time I did ask for a raise in the past it never worked out for me. I already had some experience in payroll and, especially with SAP, before taking the job, and although I wanted to ask for higher pay and then didn't was because the agency informed me not do so or the company wouldn't have hired me.
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I've decided to accept the job and try it out.
So far, it's going well, but I feel a bit underpaid and wanted to ask if someone could advise me please?
I'm still in my probation period and the role is Junior Payroll Specialist and for this role I'm paid CHF 72k a year, they don't have a 13th-month salary.
I'm thinking to ask them to raise my salary once I have my talk with them before the end of my probation period if they want me to stay and I don't think I can stay if they don't agree to this. However, I'm not sure if I'm in a position to do so, every time I did ask for a raise in the past it never worked out for me. I already had some experience in payroll and, especially with SAP, before taking the job, and although I wanted to ask for higher pay and then didn't was because the agency informed me not do so or the company wouldn't have hired me.
Seems a realistic salary for a junior payroll specialist.
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I've decided to accept the job and try it out.
So far, it's going well, but I feel a bit underpaid and wanted to ask if someone could advise me please?
I'm still in my probation period and the role is Junior Payroll Specialist and for this role I'm paid CHF 72k a year, they don't have a 13th-month salary.
I'm thinking to ask them to raise my salary once I have my talk with them before the end of my probation period if they want me to stay and I don't think I can stay if they don't agree to this. However, I'm not sure if I'm in a position to do so, every time I did ask for a raise in the past it never worked out for me. I already had some experience in payroll and, especially with SAP, before taking the job, and although I wanted to ask for higher pay and then didn't was because the agency informed me not do so or the company wouldn't have hired me.
Once you are in, pay rises are pretty much rare and in small increments, unless you get promoted.
If you think you deserve more and have some convincing results to back it up, you jump the ship and join company that gives you $$$ you want.
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I've decided to accept the job and try it out.
So far, it's going well, but I feel a bit underpaid and wanted to ask if someone could advise me please?
I'm still in my probation period and the role is Junior Payroll Specialist and for this role I'm paid CHF 72k a year, they don't have a 13th-month salary.
I'm thinking to ask them to raise my salary once I have my talk with them before the end of my probation period if they want me to stay and I don't think I can stay if they don't agree to this. However, I'm not sure if I'm in a position to do so, every time I did ask for a raise in the past it never worked out for me. I already had some experience in payroll and, especially with SAP, before taking the job, and although I wanted to ask for higher pay and then didn't was because the agency informed me not do so or the company wouldn't have hired me.
You can try but chances are super slim, especially if you're Junior.

Changing $$ after you started and passed a probation will be considered rude and unprofessional.
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... I wanted to ask for higher pay and then didn't was because the agency informed me not do so or the company wouldn't have hired me.
The chances are the agency wasn't lying. It is in their interest to get you the highest salary. Of course they could be lying and sent you in a lower salary so you'd be more acceptable than other candidates.

Either way, if you ask for a payrise or you're leaving - expect to leave.
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Salary sounds good to me. What makes you think you are underpaid?
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Seems a realistic salary for a junior payroll specialist.
Of course, but everyone is too good for their job these days...Besides, apparently this is a permanent position, OP might not be aware but she's got a rather good deal.. Good luck anyway.
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If you quit, RAV/chômage will pay about Chf 50k (4.2k/month) and it's not so much fun, plenty of constaints.....


Chf 72k, for your role sounds not so bad, get couple years experience, then look for something else and remember, you are only worth what somebody is willing to pay you, no more, no less
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