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Opening new Art business

Hi all. I would like to have more informations about opening a business. The kind of business would be an on-line art gallery. I will be the owner and I would need to hire the artist that creates the painting etc. and maybe here is the critical point: he is from Serbia and no permit at the moment. I have a permit B.

Do you think is possible?

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Re: Opening new Art business

Some key info missing.

Will the serbian create art in serbia and sell through your gallery? Or are you hoping for them to do it in CH?

Setting up a company as a B permit holder, with the purpose of obtaining another B permit for someone else, sounds like something the Swiss authorities would be wise to.

Buying in art from serbia to sell online in CH would be easier to do.

And most art gallery arrangements I am aware of don't employ the artists, it's an agency relationship. The artists are freelance.

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Buying in art from serbia to sell online in CH would be easier to do.

And most art gallery arrangements I am aware of don't employ the artists, it's an agency relationship. The artists are freelance.



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Exactly this. I wanted to do the same and this is the information I received after my search also.
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Some key info missing.

Will the serbian create art in serbia and sell through your gallery? Or are you hoping for them to do it in CH?

Setting up a company as a B permit holder, with the purpose of obtaining another B permit for someone else, sounds like something the Swiss authorities would be wise to.

Buying in art from serbia to sell online in CH would be easier to do.

And most art gallery arrangements I am aware of don't employ the artists, it's an agency relationship. The artists are freelance.

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I agree with you Swiss authorities would be wise. Yes the artist would live here in Switzerland. He will get regular salaries and he will be able to mantain himself, could be this a problem?
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I agree with you Swiss authorities would be wise. Yes the artist would live here in Switzerland. He will get regular salaries and he will be able to mantain himself, could be this a problem?
Yes, because he's a non-EU national so you would have to justify why you can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the work.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Also if the gallery is online, there's no need for him to come to Switzerland to live/work. He can do the work in Serbia and you can sell it online.
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Buying in art from serbia to sell online in CH would be easier to do.
Indeed, my wife bought 7 from an artist from Ukraine some years ago, we even went to meet him in Paris 4 years ago at an apero at the Ukranian consulate.

No VAT on art.

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Indeed, my wife bought 7 from an artist from Ukraine some years ago, we even went to meet him in Paris 4 years ago at an apero at the Ukranian consulate.

No VAT on art.

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Interesting, how your wife found this artist?
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Yes, because he's a non-EU national so you would have to justify why you can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the work.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Also if the gallery is online, there's no need for him to come to Switzerland to live/work. He can do the work in Serbia and you can sell it online.
I think would not be difficult to justify it, isn'it ?. The idea is to open a gallery too where he can create art here in Switzerland and he would like to live here
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Re: Opening new Art business

Are you sure the Swiss will buy his art ?

They do have particular tastes which are very unlike those in the U.K, U.S. for example.

Of course I'm making an assumption and he may already be selling it here.

In what sort of art genre does he paint?
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I think would not be difficult to justify it, isn'it ?. The idea is to open a gallery too where he can create art here in Switzerland and he would like to live here
I think it would be very difficult since there are probably plenty of Swiss/EU artists you could use.
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Are you sure the Swiss will buy his art ?

They do have particular tastes which are very unlike those in the U.K, U.S. for example.

Of course I'm making an assumption and he may already be selling it here.

In what sort of art genre does he paint?
It is acquatinta, here one piece he did: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HL-...ew?usp=sharing
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I think would not be difficult to justify it, isn'it ?. The idea is to open a gallery too where he can create art here in Switzerland and he would like to live here
I don't know much about the art world, but unless he's already a world-renowned artist I think it would be very difficult to justify. Try to think of it from the Swiss government perspective:
  1. Why do you need to hire this specific artist, particularly as your business is not yet even established? You don't have any sales to prove he's needed.
  2. How can you prove you can't find any other Swiss or EU artist to hire? You have to post the job far and wide and conduct many interviews and then submit a stack of paperwork as to why this candidate is absolutely the only one.
  3. Why does he need to live in Switzerland, when he can live in Serbia and you can simply buy from him?

You would need to persuade the Swiss authorities, not EF.
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Re: Opening new Art business

"And most art gallery arrangements I am aware of don't employ the artists, it's an agency relationship. The artists are freelance."

I worked in a selling gallery in London and we charged anything from 15 - 25 per cent commission on sales, depending on whether it was a print or an original. Of course this was reflected in the selling price determined by the artist. A number of our regular watercolourists signed deals with the commercial arms of galleries like Tate to sell limited edition prints through, as they got paid for signing each one (back in the late 90s it a was about 5 of the sale price). Card sales also made up their income.

A friend of mine in Scotland sells her modern landscapes via a fine art gallery in Chelsea, her prices start at about 1500 - 2000 because of the commission etc.
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Re: Opening new Art business

I agree, but he is not an engineer he is an artist, It would be difficult to find another artist that creates same art like him
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My wife's father supported a family of four as an artist, including a custum built house/studio, but he had certain patrons and was Swiss.

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I agree, but he is not an engineer he is an artist, It would be difficult to find another artist that creates same art like him
Plenty of artists here, that argument will never fly.

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Plenty of artists here, that argument will never fly.

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What about he has a post doctoral degree in art? He could provide a "service" about the gallery in general.
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What about he has a post doctoral degree in art? He could provide a "service" about the gallery in general.
Again, plenty of Swiss/EU nationals who'd have that.
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I always wondered why there are so many art galleries in Switzerland or at least in Zug.
Is there such a high art demand in Switzerland?
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It is acquatinta, here one piece he did: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HL-...ew?usp=sharing



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