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Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Can anyone recommend good bookkeeping software for Mac OS X? Preferably suitable for small to medium business in Switzerland (regarding salaries and VAT (MWST) etc.) in either German or English language versions. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 09.02.2007, 21:28
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Well, just in case anybody else is looking for something similar: I've found somthing called Loops (http://www.loops.ch) and iCash...
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

I use Quicken
http://quicken.intuit.com
They have a programme for all budgets

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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Thank you. I'll look into that one too.
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

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Can anyone recommend good bookkeeping software for Mac OS X? Preferably suitable for small to medium business in Switzerland (regarding salaries and VAT (MWST) etc.) in either German or English language versions. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks.
GNUCash is free. I have used older versions and if you can get your head around double-entry book keeping it's pretty good. But you need to be prepared to compile and install it yourself.
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

I've been running my business with MYOB (Mind your Own Business - I love telling that to the VAT inspector) for 15 years. It is the best accounts package by far for the Mac
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

I agree Mind Your Own Business is great, easy to use - I knew nothing about accounts before getting it and have done them ever since using the package. One note, if you are going to be doing overseas invoicing you may want to look at the one up from business basics as that version although good is limited. You can however upgrade if needs be
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Old 15.02.2007, 09:43
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Thanks for all your feedback (in future too). Will be downloading trial versions... I knew there must be something out there for Macs
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Hey crumbs,

this is a topic close to my heart. I have been searching for a decent OSX accounting program for yonkers.

(I am presuming we are talking about a program that is BUSINESS friendly. IE, you do a lot of accounts.)

Ahem..

MYOB sucks and the people who made it must die by the sword. I hate that program. It forces you to do stuff no sane person would do with their numbers, and if you want to get technical you have to pay someone to make a proper set of books from the journal entries.

Quicken is also shrieking madness, and no good for sane persons.

both those software packages presume you don't understand double entry bookeeping, and neither of them are scriptable in OSX. So if you could save a bunch of time by automating office tasks for set groups of clients, SUCKED IN! MYOB and Quicken have nothing for you on mac.

Also, these programs are really expensive if you want to run multiple clients and mutiple machines for staff.

The solution?

A neat little program called "Liquid Ledger". This canadian program is the ducks nuts. It costs about 2 bucks and it does everything a lawyer or sane bookeeper needs.

Most importantly, it doesn't do anything you don't need. that is a godsend. It saves you bulk time, and makes your accounts sensible for even the most hurried judge.

I use liquid ledger because i was trained to keep double entry books for trust accounts, and I know that all the common law judges were also trained to read the same system of double entry bookkeeping. So the only person i really care about, when it comes to haing an opinion on my books, is a judge. Cause he can sends the boysos round and bust a few caps.

So i use liquid ledger. Double entry, equity accounts, profit and loss, monthly balance sheets, auto import and sort bank statements.

Everything else is waffle and can be done on word. Or Pages.
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Hello Cynik,

I am in the process of hiring a new English speaking book keeper but our current bookkeeping program is SESAM which is not available in English. Since my GmbH is here in Switzerland, I think it is important for the bookkeeping to match the system here in Switzerland. Does Liquid Ledger, which appears to be Canadian and cost-effective, provide what is necessary for bookkeeping here in Switzerland?
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

If you're currently using a locally adapted product like Sesam I would strongly recommend you to keep it. I see no reason why your English speaking accountant shouldn't be able to learn the basics in German to be able to use the system. A good accountant should be able to do accounting in more or less any language in my view.

Working with a local product has huge advantages as the chart of accounts is standard, the BS&PL lay out is standard, the payment transfer is standard etc, etc.

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I am in the process of hiring a new English speaking book keeper but our current bookkeeping program is SESAM which is not available in English. Since my GmbH is here in Switzerland, I think it is important for the bookkeeping to match the system here in Switzerland. Does Liquid Ledger, which appears to be Canadian and cost-effective, provide what is necessary for bookkeeping here in Switzerland?
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Thanks for the advice. I feel the same way. However, I saw a lot of interesting information about banana.ch. Since it offers support in English and follows the Swiss "way", I am wondering if it is worth it to change. We paid a pretty penny for Sesam...but, Banana.ch seems affordable and offers support in English, which might be worth the change. SEsam offers training in English, but not support.
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Accountancy Software for Macs

I'm a Mac user and am starting a new company here.

Can anyone recommend accountancy software which can handle multiple companies (small) and multiple currency (£ & CHF) and will make sense to my Swiss accountant (her software won't run on Macs) and to any Swiss authorities who may care to inspect.

Richard.
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Old 26.12.2008, 22:22
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Re: Accountancy Software for Macs

Check out MiniBüro. It is an application that runs under FileMaker Pro or
FileMaker Pro Advanced.

I use the big brother to MiniBüro... FlexBüro. Am satisfied with the
bookkeeping pros. After a few discussions about what I need with the
programmers at Bachmann Support, they set me up and delivered the
application. The application has been running here (Schmith Digital
Photography) with several branches to the business (LFP, Webshop, and
technical training). I use the application with CHF, Euro and with some
manual touches US$.

FileMaker is a database software that is very flexible and fun to play with.

Check the link above for more info. Post your questions if I can help any
more.
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Also, search this forum, there's a big thread somewhere about this. I use MYOB BTW
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my Swiss accountant (her software won't run on Macs) and to any Swiss authorities who may care to inspect.
If you have a newer Mac (Intel processor) then everything runs on a Mac.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html

http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/

http://www.parallels.com/
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Like the original poster I am looking for accounting software for a small business in CH (I'm setting up as an Einzenfirma).

Question: as an Einzelfirma, do I ever need to show my books to a Swiss authority or accountant? If so, what sort of accounting format do they expect? Can I choose whatever software I'm comfortable with or will I need to run my books through a Swiss accountant every year if I pick the "wrong" software?
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Found the presentation below in my ongoing search for the right accounting approach/right software for my small business. Seems to be a good intro to double-entry bookkeeping. I'd be interested in comments on this from anyone who does double-entry (Specifically, how to handle income from services. The presentation below only addresses products.)

http://www.smallbizu.org/a101/
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

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Found the presentation below in my ongoing search for the right accounting approach/right software for my small business. Seems to be a good intro to double-entry bookkeeping. I'd be interested in comments on this from anyone who does double-entry (Specifically, how to handle income from services. The presentation below only addresses products.)

http://www.smallbizu.org/a101/
Not sure this is what you are looking for but suppose you provide a service for a customer for chf 1000.- the bookkeeping would be as follows:

When you bill the customer:
Customer (1000.-) TO Service (929.-), VAT to pay back (71.-)

When the customer pays the bill:
Bank Account (1000.-) TO Customer (1000.-)

BTW I find GNUCash really good. Good and free...
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Re: Bookkeeping software for Mac OS X...

Stumbling through a rocky gnucash build at the moment... ;-)
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