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EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

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I'm an EU citizen planning to terminate full-time employment and move to Switzerland (Zug) to work as a self-employed independent consultant.
I will be doing technical computer work primarily from Zug for clients based outside Switzerland. The move is of course intended to wring more value out of my work by way of the tax advantage.

I have contacted Micheloud & Cie (switzerland.isyours.com) and they inform me that I should first obtain a 6-month temporary residence visa which I can use to start doing business and then apply for a "B CE" 5-year residence visa when I can show that my means are sufficient (CHF 50,000 income during the temporary period). The temporary visa takes 4-6 weeks.

This sounds very good but their offer of CHF 8,000 to process the paperwork sounded steep to me. I don't speak German and I am paperwork-averse so it is a serious option but I wonder if it is worth the money or whether I could find more economical help that is swift and reliable. My #1 priority is to be able to invoice clients and draw salary in Zug as soon as possible.

Would anyone care to recommend an alternative or provide feedback on M&C and their pricetag?

Thanks!
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Old 27.04.2007, 09:14
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

As you'll be in ZG I'd contact the Zug chamber of commerce, or go to your local embassy/consulate.

Even with a temp L permit as an EU national you can create your company.

What are these guys hourly rates?
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Old 27.04.2007, 09:19
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

Take a look here and do it yourself: http://www.gruenden.ch/fileadmin/use...enden_CL_e.pdf
Wait untill after June 1st when setting up a ltd co. with one person will be allowed (prev 2+).
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

In the land of the blind , the one-eyed man is king.

Look at www.gruenden.ch for einzelfirma and Gmbh information checklists and guidance regarding business unit types.

I don't know about getting the permit in the first instance, because I was already here...

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Hi!

I'm an EU citizen planning to terminate full-time employment and move to Switzerland (Zug) to work as a self-employed independent consultant.
I will be doing technical computer work primarily from Zug for clients based outside Switzerland. The move is of course intended to wring more value out of my work by way of the tax advantage.

I have contacted Micheloud & Cie (switzerland.isyours.com) and they inform me that I should first obtain a 6-month temporary residence visa which I can use to start doing business and then apply for a "B CE" 5-year residence visa when I can show that my means are sufficient (CHF 50,000 income during the temporary period). The temporary visa takes 4-6 weeks.

This sounds very good but their offer of CHF 8,000 to process the paperwork sounded steep to me. I don't speak German and I am paperwork-averse so it is a serious option but I wonder if it is worth the money or whether I could find more economical help that is swift and reliable. My #1 priority is to be able to invoice clients and draw salary in Zug as soon as possible.

Would anyone care to recommend an alternative or provide feedback on M&C and their pricetag?

Thanks!
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Old 27.04.2007, 09:26
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

Take a look here for work permit summary.
In Zurich you can submit it all online, not sure about zug though.
http://www.arbeitsbewilligungen.zh.c...gen_eu_en.html
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

The suggestion to contact my local embassy was gold (and kinda obvious with hindsight). They were very encouraging and suggested I poke my nose into the local office in Zug before engaging any expensive agents. So that's what I'll do.
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

Hej,
Glad I could help. Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

CHF 8k is very steep. As soon as you have set up your company you may be able to organize the paper yourself or simply consult a lawyer who may not be as expensive. Be careful. All the best!
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The suggestion to contact my local embassy was gold (and kinda obvious with hindsight). They were very encouraging and suggested I poke my nose into the local office in Zug before engaging any expensive agents. So that's what I'll do.
Thanks!
Bongolu,

I'm also setup in Zug as a self-employed with Einzelfirma. Of course, none of those 8K that you mentioned existed in my case. It was just few hundred Swisses for the Handelsregisteramt and few dozens for the name tag on your post box.

Am more interested in how is it going with you and the authorities? Any pitfalls, surprises, discoveries??

Best
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

Hello everyone,
I am an italian citizen, living and working between Italy and London (where I am registered at AIRE). I am replying to this very old thread as I am in a similar situation as Bongolu.

As Groovy stated the best solution seems to be starting a sole proprietorship company (einzelfirma) but I have been told that in order to do that I already need to have a work permit and/or be domiciled in Switzerland (I am planning to move to Lugano). Is that true? and if so what are the first steps of this process?

Unless legally required I would not be interested in a work permit as I am a freelance and I already have my job - doing M&A / fund raising advisory for tech startups based in Europe

Many thanks for any suggestions, very best,
Davide

PS: Congratulations for this amazing forum!
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

Check this official site.
https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta/
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

You need a work permit if you're going to base yourself here. You need a good business plan, sufficient funding to get your business off the ground and if the Swiss authorities agree then you'll get a self-employment permit.

https://www.ch.ch/en/becoming-self-employed/

http://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu-gruenden...x.html?lang=en
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

Thank you Longbyt and Medea,

If I understand correctly the first step is to obtain a short term residence permit which can be obtained if I show that I have enough funding to support myself, right? As said I am self employed so cannot show an employee contract but I can show existing contracts with my clients + funds that can be moved to a swiss account (chf 50k+ if needed).

I guess that after the permit, I can rent a place and then start a sole proprietorship company with which I can bill my existing clients. If I show that I make enough money I can get a long term permit after some time. Is this sequence correct?

Do you suggest that I do all by myself or use an agency? Happy to go with the agency if not overly expensive.

Very best,
Davide
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Old 16.11.2015, 20:30
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

No you can go straight into self-employment.

"I am an EU national and would like to become self-employed in Switzerland. How do I proceed?

Within 14 days of their arrival and before taking up any gainful employment, EU-27/EFTA nationals must register either with the communal authorities of their place of residence or with the cantonal labour or migration authorities and apply for a residence permit for self-employment. Also required are a valid ID or passport and documents proving that the requirements for self-employment are met (business plan, start-up capital, under certain conditions also listing with the register of commerce. etc.). Before the permit has been granted, you are not allowed to take up self-employment.

For further details, go to
Cantonal migration authorities

If you can prove that you can successfully maintain self-employment, you will be granted an EU/EFTA residence permit valid for five years. The competent local authorities may check whether you are genuinely self-employed, whether your self-employment is sustainable, and economically viable. If these requirements are no longer met, your permit may be revoked."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...hweiz/faq.html

For Lugano you should contact this office:

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tel.: 091 814 72 11
fax: 091 814 72 19
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

Thank you

I will check the requirements for self-employment with the Cantonal migration authority way in advance of arrival.

Very best,
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No you can go straight into self-employment.

"I am an EU national and would like to become self-employed in Switzerland. How do I proceed?

Within 14 days of their arrival and before taking up any gainful employment, EU-27/EFTA nationals must register either with the communal authorities of their place of residence or with the cantonal labour or migration authorities and apply for a residence permit for self-employment. Also required are a valid ID or passport and documents proving that the requirements for self-employment are met (business plan, start-up capital, under certain conditions also listing with the register of commerce. etc.). Before the permit has been granted, you are not allowed to take up self-employment.

For further details, go to
Cantonal migration authorities

If you can prove that you can successfully maintain self-employment, you will be granted an EU/EFTA residence permit valid for five years. The competent local authorities may check whether you are genuinely self-employed, whether your self-employment is sustainable, and economically viable. If these requirements are no longer met, your permit may be revoked."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...hweiz/faq.html

I am Romanian and would like to take safe-employment as a nanny and housekeeper. Is that possible, taking into account that i need to apply for work permit? If so, can I just prove that I will have sufficient monthly income without a business plan? What other documents do i need to submit?
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I am Romanian and would like to take safe-employment as a nanny and housekeeper. Is that possible, taking into account that i need to apply for work permit? If so, can I just prove that I will have sufficient monthly income without a business plan? What other documents do i need to submit?
You won't be allowed to be self-employed, if you are working for just one family, which I assume as a Nanny/Housekeeper you would be. You would have to be their employee.
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You won't be allowed to be self-employed, if you are working for just one family, which I assume as a Nanny/Housekeeper you would be. You would have to be their employee.
I'd like to take jobs from several families. Any input?
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I am Romanian and would like to take safe-employment as a nanny and housekeeper. Is that possible, taking into account that i need to apply for work permit? If so, can I just prove that I will have sufficient monthly income without a business plan? What other documents do i need to submit?
I doubt it, it says quite clearly in the link I provided:

"Also required are a valid ID or passport and documents proving that the requirements for self-employment are met (business plan, start-up capital, under certain conditions also listing with the register of commerce. etc.)."

You'd need to talk to the Zurich migration office to see exactly what documents they'd want, but I would guess that you'd need at least 3 clients to be able to be considered as self-employed rather than as an employee.

This from the Perfect Way site might help.

http://www.perfectway.ch/fileadmin/d...AV/Zuerich.pdf

And more general info:

http://www.perfectway.ch/en/for-fami...formation.html
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Re: EU national moving to Switzerland to be self-employed

Advised by Migrationsamt, I went to SVA Zurich and they gave me a business plan form to fill in that will be approved or disapproved by them.If they approve it, the Immigration office will be informed and collect more info from me so they can issue my permit.
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