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Re: An insight into etiquette & greeting of Arabic Royalty

I read the article in Wikipedia before you deleted the link :P
Since the guy likes horses maybe you can let him "impress" you with his knowledge? Also talk of footbal since he owns a couple of teams. Just dont ask how his wives are doing. He may be more happy to talk about his son though. Good luck and keep us posted
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I used to work with one of the company owned by saudi royal family , from my experience they will like to talk about politics and try to hear your views try to be neutral.

Few arabic greetings they love it, like "keefak haal" how are you, and as salam o alaikum.

They love to chat about horses you cant beat there knowledge about horses and their breeds. Cars they love big heavy cars,

Dont point finger while talking.

Share your desert safari experiences if you ever had or if you want to try camel milk once in your life
I think what I have got to avoid is to patronise them, easy when dealing with very rich people wherever they are from but the way I see it is that it must be refreshing for them if that is not the case. I'm sure many people think that just by wearing Sheiks clothes that they have a lot of money. I want to come across as if I don't assume they are very rich because in one way that is discriminating against them.

Thanks Ali, I wanted to know if I could use a little greeting in their language, I will use it. that goes a long way, just like a greeting in Swiss German here.

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I read the article in Wikipedia before you deleted the link :P
Since the guy likes horses maybe you can let him "impress" you with his knowledge? Also talk of footbal since he owns a couple of teams. Just dont ask how his wives are doing. He may be more happy to talk about his son though. Good luck and keep us posted
Yes, I thought that was a bit too much info...thankyou Gata for not repeating, lets just mention UAE & assume everything else...

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Met tons of them, royal family of France (son) is studying with us right now
The royal family of France is just about as royal as a double quarterpounder with cheese.
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If you find yourself introduced to any women (not sure if this is likely in your line of work) do not offer to shake their hands or make any physical contact at all. A quiet, polite greeting from a distance will be sufficient.

If catering for Muslims, be aware of the fact that the halal rules for food are quite complex and involve a bit more than avoiding just pork and alcohol. There are plenty of online guides to this, although if you're already in a predominantly Muslim country, you will have less of a headache in this area. If in doubt, go veggie and go very, very, very sweet.

I can't speak for all Arabs, but I discovered that even casual, accidental references to Israel can cause great offence (of course, YMMV here) - I once upset a Libyan family by giving their sons a holiday homework package decorated with a standard 'flags of all nations' cover. I hadn't noticed the half-inch star of David between India and Italy. They did...

Above all, remember that quiet dignity is always preferable to the back-slapping hearty mateyness one might associate with parts of the English speaking world. Phos, please take note.
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..oh and be carfeful with your feet as showing your shoe sole to somebody is considered being offensive.
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The royal family of France is just about as royal as a double quarterpounder with cheese.
France still has a royal family? I thought they beheaded them all.
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That was the most daunting aspect for me, I wasn't even sure I should even look at them.
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Now I'm getting nervous, so far with my limited contact I've found they are really friendly to me & I was frightened I would accidently kiss them on the lips if they go to kiss me on the cheek (knowing me)!
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The royal family of France is just about as royal as a double quarterpounder with cheese.
I believe over there it's called a Royale with Cheese. They got the metric system, see.

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That was the most daunting aspect for me, I wasn't even sure I should even look at them.
It would be terribly rude not to, if you're being introduced to someone...


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Well, as another poster said above, "Arabs" are not all the same, and it could be that I'm a mile off with my observations. I spent a lot of time with Saudi Arabians and Qataris, less time with Iraqis, Libyans and Palestinians.

Again, I guess you'll have to play that one by ear - but I'd always play the quiet dignity game if in doubt. It's got me out of all kinds of potentially awkward situations.
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Re: An insight into etiquette & greeting of Arabic Royalty

Hubby does quite a bit of business with the Sheiks in the Middle East and has learned the following:

You address them as "Sheik Mohammad" or "Sheik Hamdan", etc. They have many other names that follow but you don't have to say them all. If you are writing to them, you should use all of their names with their title, (HH).

You will never meet the Sheik's wives. Sons, yes. Nephews, yes. Wives, no.

It is expected in the Middle East to preceed a meal with about two hours, at the personal home of the host (your boss or whomever), of chatting over tea and juice getting to know one another. (If you were in the Middle East, you would also be smoking shisha during this time but they will probably not expect you to do that here!) Talk about watches, banks, horses and cars. Talk about your vacation plans. They love to vacation in Switzerland.

Business talk will probably not occur until after dinner. You should feel free to drink wine or beer in moderation, but they most likely will not. They drink lots of juice!

Don't worry about their English, it's probably better than yours. Most of them went to either Harvard or Oxford.
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The only hard thing I'm finding is my confidence level to work with people face to face again as I worked so much from home recently whilst looking after my children as well (ie with baby poo/food & sick down my old T-shirt) & not having to dress up, I still keep checking the shoulder areas on my nice clean shirt by habit!

I know what this is like. But once you get on the bike and start peddling, it will all come back to you. You either have game or you don't.

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I suppose it depends on whose turf you are playing on. But since they probably hold all the money, it is likely their serve.

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I know what this is like. But once you get on the bike and start peddling, it will all come back to you. You either have game or you don't.
That's part of the reason why I seek some help here, obviously I've done something right & actually have now got a bike but if you're going to play a long hard game then the warm-up is as important as the game itself.
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That's part of the reason why I seek some help here, obviously I've done something right & actually have now got a bike but if you're going to play a long hard game then the warm-up is as important as the game itself.

Then perhaps what you ought to do is go get a workout. Find a similar situations for you to get comfortable with. Generally, the key to best performance and delivery in these types of situation is style, confidence and grace.

I don't think it helps to typecast them into some misconception they are not. That could just set you up. In the end, people are people.
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Then perhaps what you ought to do is go get a workout. Find a similar situations for you to get comfortable with. Generally, the key to best performance and delivery in these types of situation is style, confidence and grace.

I don't think it helps to typecast them into some misconception they are not. That could just set you up. In the end, people are people.
Yeah, I heard that Dougal's Breakfast is a Saudi Sheik....maybe he'll let you practice on him.
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Just don't mention anything about redistributing wealth
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Thanks Ali, I wanted to know if I could use a little greeting in their language, I will use it. that goes a long way, just like a greeting in Swiss German here.
X: Assalamo alikum = bless you ( always a talk opener, any kind of arab)
Y: Walaikumsalam = bless you too ( reply)

X: kifak haal ?= how are you?
Y: Tamam = All good

prefer to act as : X
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Re: An insight into etiquette & greeting of Arabic Royalty

some ideas, points that may help you.
the human relationship is the pre-requisite for business relationship. Therefore before business, it's about getting to know the other partner.
If they trust you, then it's open for business.

- I know them to be very tough in business deals, they have to show that being rich does not mean they buy things at any price...they will always fight to have good value for money.
- A lot of things will depend if you receive them in your office, at their hotel (best option) or in a private residence.
To mark points and impress them:
- Try to know the muslim prayer times at your location. Be prepared for interruption. In the introduction you may explain that you can interrupt the presentation for prayer.
- Have prayer carpets ready in your location (can be found in any turkish shop in Zurich)
- Know where the qibla is (orientation to Mecca)
- Be prepared to answer question about swiss minaret vote.
- Gifts are OK, but you have to give one to everyone present. I would not make a gift to kids/wife/wives.
- If you have to organize entertainment...they can be very conservative and others would go to cabarets. Identify which type of person it is.
- I would not serve alcohol during lunch/dinner.... even if they don't drink, having alcohol on same table is a "sin" for them.
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If they decide to hold your hand its a very good sign.
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However, if they squeeze your leg, they've gone too far.
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Re: An insight into etiquette & greeting of Arabic Royalty

AsSalamuAlaikum... Is the proper greeting...
Only shake hands w same gender...
Unless a hand is offered.
They will often great EACH OTHER (same gender) with kisses on both cheeks... But Foreign you, may be also, or not.
Common greetings of
"Good Morning"/GoodAfternoon/Good Evening ATTACHING Sir or Madam is for everyone, ATTACHING "AMIR(Prince)" or "Princess(Amiraa)" if you know they are...
Generally there is no bowing. But Formalities and excellent table manners are expected and enjoyed, especially in table settings and appearances...
Serving Pots of and choices of Tea, usually in a lively tea Thermos with the choices being ;
Green tea
Black tea with Milk(evaporated)
And a Medium Roast "Plunger/Bodum" Coffee
And offering the choice...is preferred! 3 time's a day!!!morning, afternoon & evening...
With sugar cubes on the side...
When serving, only fill the cups 1/4 at most and be VERY ATTENTIVE to refill as many times as you can!!!! THAT SHOWS YOU CARE... Personal service...!!!! So don't be shy to ask if they need anything and be sincere...( with same gender!)
ALWAYS have small crystal Bowls of Local Dates( and know their name & origin...!) And If their California Medjul-type, a gift of a BOX FULL, would be really enjoyed,,,!!!
Gifts ARE Appreciated in the form if EXCELLENT QUALITY -WORLD CLASS-; DATES, FRUIT BADKETS, FLOWERS, with a card and delivered to their Room, is Standard.
Gifts of Perfumes, Ambergris, And Special Natural Art of Crystals, Crystal Tea Sets(of smallish cups, minimum 12!)
Other than that...
Just be kind, sincere, and overly polite...
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