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Old 03.10.2010, 11:59
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EU Frontalier wants self employment in Switzerland

Hello, I've searched through older posts and can't seem to find the information I require so I'm starting this new thread. I'm a UK citizen, now living in France just over the Swiss border. I live here with my husband who is working on his PhD at CERN, so he doesn't have any kind of Swiss permit that I can piggy back on. I am a Shiatsu therapist (like massage therapy) and would like to start my own business in Geneva for the term that we are living here (about 5 years), and really can't find out what I need to do, since different (official) websites are giving me different information, and since I don't speak French. One thing I should mention is this : my business is honestly not a big money making endeavour. I actually doubt I will do much better than "break even" on the amount I'm paying in rent, and while I'm sure it sounds crazy- I simple need to maintain my skill level. I trained for years in school before coming to the Geneva area, and if I live here for 5 years without practicing, I won't have the ability to jump back into my business when I return to my home country. Since my husband and I are living on his income in France and we never expected me to have to work to "get by", this is a worthwhile opportunity for me to keep practicing and build up practical knowledge. From what I've read, I will need to obtain a border-crossing permit (or Frontalier) permit. However, I've also read that in order to do this I need to prove my business viable with business plans, start up costs, etc. Well, obviously I am able to obtain clients to "break even" but I'm afraid that officials will want to see some more substantial income - which I won't have. Also, at such a low rate of income (approximately 4000 CHF / year) will I still be taxed at a business tax rate? So to sum up my questions: 1. As a UK citizen, what do I need to obtain a border crossing permit? 2. in "proving my business viable" does this need to show substantial income? 3. at what level should I expect to be taxed? Thank you for any advice.
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Re: EU Frontalier wants self employment in Switzerland

Hi, hopefully this will help a bit.

Much to their surprise a friend of mine got a work permit as an "independent" in Geneva based on the fact that he was working with expats in English and therefore he argued that his work could not easily be done by a Swiss Citizen. (his is a Brit frontalier living in France).

In fact this was the easy bit. What was much harder was that they required a Geneva business address as they would not provide one for a Frontalier living in france unless they also had a Swiss address. He explained that he works in people homes so has no need for an office. To be honest this took months to sort out and eventually they accepted a friend's address to be used for correspondance only.

At the start he had only a couple of clients and it was not an issue with the authorities that he did not earn much. He also had one client in France at the time and this really confused the officials. In the end he had to lose that client as they refused to issue the permit if he was also working in France.

I hope this helps, good luck :0)
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Re: EU Frontalier wants self employment in Switzerland

Although not 100% legal, I would recommend to start your massages and create your clientele, with cash directly,

Many are interested to have massages, I the first, but who to go to. Otherwise you could contact some beauty institutes and use their facilities to help you start out, for a fee obviously

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Re: EU Frontalier wants self employment in Switzerland

Do you need a work permit to provide a service in Switzerland? I mean, your business will be you being registered as an independent in France. It's quite easy to do that as an EU citizen. So then it will be you (ie, the registered entity) crossing the border to provide a service. Interesting question. You said you won't make enough to cover the "rent" do you mean the house rent or will you rent a place to work?
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Re: EU Frontalier wants self employment in Switzerland

Hi, I am just looking into the same thing. I am an Acupuncturist and live in Grenoble but am thinking about setting up a practice in Geneva. What I found so far is this website (it is in french though, but I think you might not be able to get the forms in english...): http://www.ge.ch/etrangers-confedere...embre-ue-aele#
at the bottom is the section for 'Contrat plus grand ou égal à 365 jours par période de 12 mois'. You would be a 'travailleur indépendants' in which case you need to fill out form F here: http://www.ge.ch/etrangers-confedere...ue=formulaires
This form is for self employed frontaliers from an EU country. Looks like the one you'll need.
I hope this helps
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Re: EU Frontalier wants self employment in Switzerland

Why don't you set up as an "auto-entrepreneur" (one man company) in France and just advertise in Geneva? Maybe there are lots of good reasons, but if it's workable, it makes your life a lot easier.
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