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Re: Swiss launch of the Porsche Taycan - also one for the starwars fans ;)

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A Taycan has half the boot capacity of the Tesla S.
Does that make a difference? Hell yes if you have four people in the car. With two, not so much so.
Well, that's a worry for taxi drivers. If i ever have the need to move 4 people with lots of luggage......use a family car, rent a van, or tell the other 2 to bring their own car.

The extreme case of this worry is the people I see every morning driving alone their VW transporters.
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Well, that's a worry for taxi drivers. If i ever have the need to move 4 people with lots of luggage......use a family car, rent a van, or tell the other 2 to bring their own car.
A Tesla is a family car. Again, that was my point.
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Old 19.02.2020, 14:15
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A Tesla is a family car. Again, that was my point.
A Porsche sedan is also a family car more than big enough for the vast majority of Swiss families which have less than three kids. Yes, to fit the skis you put a box on the roof then.

It must be unimaginable for todays adults how my dad managed to fit a family of four into his escort for a family vacation back in my youth…

Its a bit like people going nuts if a car doesnt have 500km range. How many times a year do you drive that far?
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Old 19.02.2020, 14:19
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The biggest issue I have with Tesla, and the reason I didn't get one last year, is I can't see Tesla has a long term future, they hemorrhage money, at some point people are going to want their cash back or say enough is enough, if they start to have thousands of warranty claims due to failing batteries after 7 years (they are covered for 8 right?) then its game over, and the less said about Elon's mental state the better.

I always got the impression Elon hoped someone like ford or toyota would buy the company out long before now.
I had the same concern. And I also agree that the build quality should be better. But I went ahead and bought one anyway (I'm still not in love with it; it will always be an American car (no offence, BB2 ). The sky-high capitalisation of the company and the massive manufacturing expansion that has already taken place and that is additionally underway will make a huge difference to Tesla's ability to satisfy demand and make money (which they've actually just started to do).

What I think we will see is even more focus on the mass-market, cheaper car: Models 3, Y and the rumoured 2, with the S and X being discontinued (which means that in 65 years' time my Model X, produced in relatively low numbers and with its funky doors, will obviously be worth at least as much as this Mercedes Benz 300SL gullwing). It wouldn't be a bad idea for Tesla to produce an electric motorcycle with a decent range, too -- there is currently no competition whatsoever. Same goes for speedboats.
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Old 19.02.2020, 14:24
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Its a bit like people going nuts if a car doesnt have 500km range. How many times a year do you drive that far?
My wife makes a 350 km round trip once per week (about 40 times per year). Even the Tesla struggles with that, in winter. The Taycan wouldn't have a chance. So there's half an hour added to the trip... 40 times per year...
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Old 19.02.2020, 14:36
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My wife makes a 350 km round trip once per week (about 40 times per year). Even the Tesla struggles with that, in winter. The Taycan wouldn't have a chance. So there's half an hour added to the trip... 40 times per year...
And you know and will agree that this is not the average car usage in Switzerland. Thats best covered by a combustion engine for the moment.
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Old 19.02.2020, 15:11
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And you know and will agree that this is not the average car usage in Switzerland. Thats best covered by a combustion engine for the moment.
In Switzerland, no. In most other countries, it's quite normal. (In Australia, people would laugh at you if you suggested that 15,000 km per year was "average" mileage.)

But more to the point, a weekly 350 km round trip is our normal car usage and Tesla advertises 500+ km range per charge -- so I expect my Tesla to be up to it. If other EVs aren't, that's a deficiency.

And that "for the moment" part of your reply is telling...
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Old 19.02.2020, 16:37
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My wife makes a 350 km round trip once per week (about 40 times per year). Even the Tesla struggles with that, in winter. The Taycan wouldn't have a chance. So there's half an hour added to the trip... 40 times per year...
According to the link I shared earlier the Taycan is good for it in real life testing (granted in California with milder weather, but there’s seemingly over 100km of wiggle room).
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Old 19.02.2020, 17:10
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According to the link I shared earlier the Taycan is good for it in real life testing (granted in California with milder weather, but there’s seemingly over 100km of wiggle room).
I saw that and... don't believe it. Nothing directed at you, of course, but throughout winter we have been getting around 310 km (sometimes a bit better) from our Model X, which has a claimed (WLTP -- which is supposed to be conservative@!) range of 507 km. That's on the motorway, so the worst possible conditions for range maximisation, and in cold conditions, but without any aggressive driving (it's not me driving ). It's the same story with every EV: it's very hard to replicate the WLTP figures, especially at high speeds.

Tootling around an urban circuit at around 50 km/h (if I remember correctly from the article) in SoCal conditions (i.e. ideal for EVs), you'd have a much better chance of equalling or exceeding the WLTP range. Even the Tesla Model X can achieve 655 km, apparently, if all the conditions align perfectly. (The same website suggests that a Taycan turbo S could achieve 535 km under ideal conditions -- but that drops to 275 km at -10°C with the heating on.)

Unfortunately, Southern California just isn't the real world for most of us.
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I saw that and... don't believe it. Nothing directed at you, of course, but throughout winter we have been getting around 310 km (sometimes a bit better) from our Model X, which has a claimed (WLTP -- which is supposed to be conservative@!) range of 507 km. That's on the motorway, so the worst possible conditions for range maximisation, and in cold conditions, but without any aggressive driving (it's not me driving ). It's the same story with every EV: it's very hard to replicate the WLTP figures, especially at high speeds.

Tootling around an urban circuit at around 50 km/h (if I remember correctly from the article) in SoCal conditions (i.e. ideal for EVs), you'd have a much better chance of equalling or exceeding the WLTP range. Even the Tesla Model X can achieve 655 km, apparently, if all the conditions align perfectly. (The same website suggests that a Taycan turbo S could achieve 535 km under ideal conditions -- but that drops to 275 km at -10°C with the heating on.)

Unfortunately, Southern California just isn't the real world for most of us.
Looks like you've bought a car that excels in conditions where you typically take the tram
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Old 19.02.2020, 17:17
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I saw that and... don't believe it. Nothing directed at you, of course, but throughout winter we have been getting around 310 km (sometimes a bit better) from our Model X, which has a claimed (WLTP -- which is supposed to be conservative@!) range of 507 km. That's on the motorway, so the worst possible conditions for range maximisation, and in cold conditions, but without any aggressive driving (it's not me driving ). It's the same story with every EV: it's very hard to replicate the WLTP figures, especially at high speeds.

Tootling around an urban circuit at around 50 km/h (if I remember correctly from the article) in SoCal conditions (i.e. ideal for EVs), you'd have a much better chance of equalling or exceeding the WLTP range. Even the Tesla Model X can achieve 655 km, apparently, if all the conditions align perfectly. (The same website suggests that a Taycan turbo S could achieve 535 km under ideal conditions -- but that drops to 275 km at -10°C with the heating on.)

Unfortunately, Southern California just isn't the real world for most of us.
probably a silly question, but, do the batteries in the tesla get hot? hot enough to warm the car?
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Old 19.02.2020, 17:28
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Looks like you've bought a car that excels in conditions where you typically take the tram
I don't know any tramlines that run from Basel to Vaud... and the train takes 50% longer (and isn't free).
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probably a silly question, but, do the batteries in the tesla get hot? hot enough to warm the car?
No -- in fact, the car has to heat the batteries to get optimal results.

Let me rephrase. Yes, they get hot, as do all batteries, but not to the point of making any difference inside the car. And they need to be pre-heated if you want to optimise charging and discharging performance.
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Old 19.02.2020, 17:42
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Re: Swiss launch of the Porsche Taycan - also one for the starwars fans ;)

Too bad you went for the Tesla... I think a taycan in „frozen berry“ would have been perfect for you.
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Too bad you went for the Tesla... I think a taycan in „frozen berry“ would have been perfect for you.
I'm pretty certain it wouldn't.

If my daughter had her way (to her, this is a "unicorn car"; she can learn about Gay Pride later):

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My wife makes a 350 km round trip once per week (about 40 times per year). Even the Tesla struggles with that, in winter. The Taycan wouldn't have a chance. So there's half an hour added to the trip... 40 times per year...
Practical constraints require a practical car. No surprise Tesla is better for your wife.

But, not everyone has their choices limited by practical constraints. At least not my dentist and his damned Porsches
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This is going to be the Apple vs Android of the next generation isn't it?
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This is going to be the Apple vs Android of the next generation isn't it?
Possibly. In the same way that some people will only buy Apple in the face of many factors against them, some people on this thread will only buy German cars.

No guesses who.
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Re: Swiss launch of the Porsche Taycan - also one for the starwars fans ;)

I got this email today about the event: Cancelled

Sehr geschätzte Kundinnen und Kunden

Aufgrund der dringlichen Empfehlung der kantonalen Gesundheitsbehörde müssen wir den Premierenanlass zur Lancierung des Porsche Taycan am Samstag, dem 29. Februar 2020 im Porsche Zentrum Basel leider absagen.

Wir bedauern diese Entscheidung ausserordentlich.

Vereinbaren Sie jedoch Ihren persönlichen Probefahrttermin mit dem Taycan in den kommenden Tagen mit unserem Verkaufsteam unter 058 5 911 911.

Freundliche Grüsse

Ihr Team vom Porsche Zentrum Basel
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Re: Swiss launch of the Porsche Taycan - also one for the starwars fans ;)

The Coronavirus is a problem in Basel but not in Oftringen The event there ran without troubles, there she is:



https://i.imgur.com/kXJQ3GA.jpg

The white one in all the media looked much larger. In reality, it's about the size of a Honda Accord. Albeit, this a terribly good looking Accord. I'm quite sure also faster and better handling. The rear axle on the Accord was quite nervous. Just for gossip, summer tires were mounted for display.

Probefahrt on demand. They have the black one (Turbo) with 680 PS, and a dark blue one with 570 PS. I'll test the slower one next weekend

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