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2020 Porsche Taycan

L 4,963 mm
W 1,966 mm
H 1,381 mm


2020 Honda Accord

L 4,933 mm
W 1,849 mm
H 1,464 mm

The Taycan is enormous. How they failed to seat five in that cavernous space defeats me. The thing is 117 mm wider than an Accord! (And 30 mm longer.)

In case you were wondering what Porsche considers to be the competition for the Taycan:

2020 Tesla Model S

L 4,979 mm
W 1,964 mm
H 1,445 mm
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Re: Swiss launch of the Porsche Taycan - also one for the starwars fans ;)

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2020 Porsche Taycan

L 4,963 mm
W 1,966 mm
H 1,381 mm


2020 Honda Accord

L 4,933 mm
W 1,849 mm
H 1,464 mm

The Taycan is enormous. How they failed to seat five in that cavernous space defeats me. The thing is 117 mm wider than an Accord! (And 30 mm longer.)

In case you were wondering what Porsche considers to be the competition for the Taycan:

2020 Tesla Model S

L 4,979 mm
W 1,964 mm
H 1,445 mm
It's not all about size. It's about what you do with it.
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Re: Swiss launch of the Porsche Taycan - also one for the starwars fans ;)

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2020 Porsche Taycan

L 4,963 mm
W 1,966 mm
H 1,381 mm


2020 Honda Accord

L 4,933 mm
W 1,849 mm
H 1,464 mm

The Taycan is enormous. How they failed to seat five in that cavernous space defeats me. The thing is 117 mm wider than an Accord! (And 30 mm longer.)

In case you were wondering what Porsche considers to be the competition for the Taycan:

2020 Tesla Model S

L 4,979 mm
W 1,964 mm
H 1,445 mm
5 Seats? Not everyone is in the business of hauling cattle ......err, people Maybe in 30 years I'll get a Morgan and love it will all its limitations. You love the car not because what it can do but because what it cant' do. Only carries 2 or even 1 people? I'll drive it for pleasure, not to go somewhere with a certain number of people. A leaky roof? I'll just drive it on sunny days, and take the daily driver for bad weather. Lousy crash protection? It's about enjoying the turns, the shifts the downshifts and the air in your hair, not lap times. See? And yes, there's a great deal of snobism. Unpractical cars are scarcer and make heads turn just because the people that need a practical car can't afford to buy them. So, practical limitations are a feature. And if everyone wants a Tesla, I'll get something else and live with the limitations

117mm wider? It has to be wider since tires are wider, and no car guy I have met has complained about wide-body cars. As children we had toys and posters of widebody Mustangs and 911s, what's not to love?

30 mm longer? I think we both need 3 o 4 beers before some can tell a 30 mm difference in length is noticeable. Also, I have no problems with big cars, in another continent I daily drove a Ram 2500 long bed diesel for several years.

I compared with an Accord because that was my wife's car in the past. I knew it well, a V6 is not enough, the rear axle was quite nervous, brakes get hot fast, but....a great car overall, you just change oil, brake pads, tires and shock absorbers.

In any case, I just got an M4 on lease last October, I should stick with it for 2 more years. A test drive doesn't hurt and it's just to compare with the future Audi e-tron GT. The Audi shares the same platform of the Taycan, it comes a year later to avoid competition.
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Nice essay, but I think you've missed the point. If Porsche wanted to produce an electric sports car, why give it four doors? If they wanted to produce an electric sports sedan, why give it only four seats? (Have you looked at the tyres on a Model S?)

The Taycan is a compromise. It doesn't deliver fully in any category. My opinion only, of course. And as those who have read the Tesla threads know, I am no Tesla fanboi, but that company does build cars that compete exceptionally well within their categories and that have the best range of any commercially available EV... and their tech is years ahead of everybody else.

The Taycan is a heck of a lot prettier than any of Porsche's previous attempts at four-door cars, I'll give it that.
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Re: Swiss launch of the Porsche Taycan - also one for the starwars fans ;)

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Nice essay, but I think you've missed the point. If Porsche wanted to produce an electric sports car, why give it four doors? If they wanted to produce an electric sports sedan, why give it only four seats? (Have you looked at the tyres on a Model S?)
Interesting comment from you. You describe your FF as a
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even though it has only two doors...
but enough room in the back for a dog and passengers
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I am no Tesla fanboi, but that company does build cars that compete exceptionally well within their categories and that have the best range of any commercially available EV... and their tech is years ahead of everybody else.
well, the thread title literally says Porsche Taycan and you're evangelizing the flock about an 8+ year car model from Tesla. If that's no fanboi, where's the line?

Financially, it might make sense to buy an used one (still under warranty). getting a new one is financial suicide, what happens to the car price at the end of a 4 year lease when the Model S will be 12+ year old model with 12+ year old design, technology and no parts available due to Tesla monopoly on repairs?

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well, the thread title literally says Porsche Taycan and you're evangelizing the flock about an 8+ year car model from Tesla. If that's no fanboi, where's the line?
Sold his Ferrari for a Tesla and says he isn't a fanboi. THE SHAME
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Re: Swiss launch of the Porsche Taycan - also one for the starwars fans ;)

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Nice essay, but I think you've missed the point. If Porsche wanted to produce an electric sports car, why give it four doors? If they wanted to produce an electric sports sedan, why give it only four seats? (Have you looked at the tyres on a Model S?)

The Taycan is a compromise.
A Taycan is an electric Panamera. The people who buy them dont care about a fifth seat or whatever size an Accord is these days. They wont buy a Tesla either, mostly because it looks like an Accord. The buyers of the Panamera were 95% people who wanted an 911 but need a little extra space for every day usability. (I personally would love to know how many times the fifth seat on an Audi RS 6 is used… )

The only people who keep on comparing the Taycan with the Tesla are some bored journalists. The same ones who for twenty years compare every BMW M car with the corresponding AMG to always get to the same conclusions… in the next three years or so will be pretty much all major car models get electrified. The Porsche is not an answer to the Tesla, but a completely different product appealing to a different audience.
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Uhhh... that's my point. Two doors = sports car, four does not.
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Sold his Ferrari for a Tesla and says he isn't a fanboi. THE SHAME
1. I'm married, therefore emasculated.
2. The FF hasn't sold yet. I'm hoping that my secret Plan B will shortly swing into action. Every Tesla driver needs a back-up for long-distance trips...
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Uhhh... that's my point. Two doors = sports car, four does not.
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So a two door car with a station wagon back is a sports car, but a four door car with a fast-back isnt?

I always thought people with that sort of mind set drive Jags… or a Q7...
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So a two door car with a station wagon back is a sports car, but a four door car with a fast-back isnt?

I always thought people with that sort of mind set drive Jags… or a Q7...
No four-door car has ever been a sports car. And no station wagon has ever had a back like the FF's—I guess you've never had a good look around an FF, let alone driven one (well, it's not German, so of course you haven't).
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So a two door car with a station wagon back is a sports car, but a four door car with a fast-back isnt?

I always thought people with that sort of mind set drive Jags… or a Q7...
It's not a question of mindset, but of definitions, but as there aren't any clearly accepted definitions, the mindset does come into play.

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Why would you take an arbitrary issue like number of seats as part of the definition? Yes, I know that this is a common view, but if you were to define a car by its capabilities then it's a nonsense to even consider it. A sports car with extra capabilities can still be a sports car, in my view.

I watched Top Gear the other week, where they were doing one of their silly challenges, and it was "sports cars". Paddy turned up in a convertible Lambo, whereupon the petrolhead Chris Harris immediately, and continually from there on in, made the point that it wasn't a sports car. Why not? Apparently, in his book, not only does the two-seats only rule apply, but convertibles aren't allowed to be included either.

Ridiculous use of semantics.
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It's not a question of mindset, but of definitions, but as there aren't any clearly accepted definitions, the mindset does come into play.

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Why would you take an arbitrary issue like number of seats as part of the definition? Yes, I know that this is a common view, but if you were to define a car by its capabilities then it's a nonsense to even consider it. A sports car with extra capabilities can still be a sports car, in my view.

I watched Top Gear the other week, where they were doing one of their silly challenges, and it was "sports cars". Paddy turned up in a convertible Lambo, whereupon the petrolhead Chris Harris immediately, and continually from there on in, made the point that it wasn't a sports car. Why not? Apparently, in his book, not only does the two-seats only rule apply, but convertibles aren't allowed to be included either.

Ridiculous use of semantics.
It was a Ferrari IIRC.
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Why would you take an arbitrary issue like number of seats as part of the definition?
Why indeed? That would argue against my claim that the FF is a sports car. If you read my post again, you'll notice I never mentioned seats.

The shape of the car, however, has a lot do with its categorisation. Four doors dictates a certain shape that is incompatible with the tag "sports car".
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Why indeed? That would argue against my claim that the FF is a sports car. If you read my post again, you'll notice I never mentioned seats.

The shape of the car, however, has a lot do with its categorisation. Four doors dictates a certain shape that is incompatible with the tag "sports car".
So: if only the body shape counts you surely agree that an FF is a hot hatch, right?

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Why indeed? That would argue against my claim that the FF is a sports car. If you read my post again, you'll notice I never mentioned seats.

The shape of the car, however, has a lot do with its categorisation. Four doors dictates a certain shape that is incompatible with the tag "sports car".
the Ferrari FF is a grand tourer, not a sports car.
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So: if only the body shape counts you surely agree that an FF is a hot hatch, right?

Jeez, that's one ugly arse-end.

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Apparently, in his book, not only does the two-seats only rule apply, but convertibles aren't allowed to be included either.

Ridiculous use of semantics.
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Why indeed? That would argue against my claim that the FF is a sports car. If you read my post again, you'll notice I never mentioned seats.
Four doors, four seats, whatever. My point is unchanged.

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The shape of the car, however, has a lot do with its categorisation. Four doors dictates a certain shape that is incompatible with the tag "sports car".
Well I don't know where you're getting your style guide from, but shapewise I'd say a hugh jars like the FF would certainly rule it out, if you're going to base it on shape. But I wouldn't argue that it makes it not a sports car, just because it doesn't look like one, Oh no, not me...
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