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Thanks for your answer, I know where you're coming form, and it sounds like your school isn't for me. Having tried a bit of a mix of things, hard and soft, I know which one I rely on to get me out of a sticky situation. I just personally feel that no conditioning or sparring doesn't make for an effective self-defence system and doesn't really prepare you for the situations you're going to using it in (god forbid you ever have to) . Best of luck with the school though.



Efficient in terms of energy used, yes, but practical and effective vs a boxer or MT artist who is trained to take a hit much harder than most WC practitioners produce... probably not. I do like WC, but I feel as I said above, that you need to mix the hard with the soft if you want to be able to have a shot at handling yourself.

Anyway sorry to take the thread a bit off-topic, maybe we need a dedicated MA thread on here.
but good luck finding something more to your needs...have you considered Jiu-Jitsu?might be something for you or maybe just a good boxing school if you're looking for conditioning....
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Re: english speaking wing chun tuition

I did wing chun in Australia.

I could be interested as I am getting exceedingly plump
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but good luck finding something more to your needs...have you considered Jiu-Jitsu?might be something for you or maybe just a good boxing school if you're looking for conditioning....
Im not looking for just conditioning, I just think it's an important part of any self-defence system. Im just in the research stages now, but I may give the JKD group a try as that's based around WC but they do groundwork, spar and work on fitness too.

I used to do Chen style Thai Chi too and would have loved to get proficient in that as I think it's a truly awesome art... I just didn't have 5 days a week and 10 years to spare.

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I did wing chun in Australia.
I could be interested as I am getting exceedingly plump
Stop drinking beer for a month you'll lose shedloads. When I go through periods of drinking a lot of beer I get a bit of chub.
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Old 17.08.2009, 19:23
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I used to do San Chia Chaun a few moons ago which I thoroughly enjoyed.
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Old 17.08.2009, 21:19
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Funny you should say that the last martial arts that I did marketing for had record sign ups. Sign ups are easy, but you need a harmonious group for retention, that comes with a quality product, fun but no flash gimmickry!
totally agree, luckily I am aiming for quality rather than quantity so I am hoping the quality of students continues to stay high... I have only a few students but they have all been with me from the start.... most of them understand I am just looking for arms to train with at my level and can recognise the opportunity for what it is...
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Old 17.08.2009, 21:30
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Re: english speaking wing chun tuition

I used to do Chen style Thai Chi too and would have loved to get proficient in that as I think it's a truly awesome art... I just didn't have 5 days a week and 10 years to spare. ...
thats precisely the history of wing chun, a shaolin monk Ng Mui wanted to condense the 25years training into something that could be learned quickly... or so the story goes......

but I think you sound like you know the path you want to walk.....
good luck on your journey my friend....
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Old 19.08.2009, 10:40
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I'm interested in this and would like some more info please.

I have mixed marital arts experience starting with shotokan karate but never really took to it. Judo which I practised for a number of years, and Wing Chun (for about 6 months until i broke my leg in a motor cycle accident when I was 16). So as that was 30+ years ago figure I've forgotten any WC I learnt, but I would like to get back into some form of disciplined training.

What kind of age/fitness levels would be required for your school?
Sounds like Wing Chun may well be something for you.
fitness wise, until you learn to relax you will get tired with the chain punch drills but other than that you don't need to be Brian Jacks to train. Age wise I would say 16+....... Yip Chun is over 90 years old and is only retiring from teaching this year....
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Old 19.08.2009, 11:14
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Re: english speaking wing chun tuition

I'm back in CH at the end of the month, and will have to catch up as I've been away for 2 months, but I'm interested in taking a look, and realistically it would be the middle of next month before things calm down. Can you pm me with times and directions etc by road and rail please.

I'll see if I can drag Natasha along when she gets back.... I can always hold her handbag
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Old 10.10.2009, 10:03
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Thanks for your answer, I know where you're coming form, and it sounds like your school isn't for me. Having tried a bit of a mix of things, hard and soft, I know which one I rely on to get me out of a sticky situation. I just personally feel that no conditioning or sparring doesn't make for an effective self-defence system and doesn't really prepare you for the situations you're going to using it in (god forbid you ever have to) . Best of luck with the school though.



Efficient in terms of energy used, yes, but practical and effective vs a boxer or MT artist who is trained to take a hit much harder than most WC practitioners produce... probably not. I do like WC, but I feel as I said above, that you need to mix the hard with the soft if you want to be able to have a shot at handling yourself.

Anyway sorry to take the thread a bit off-topic, maybe we need a dedicated MA thread on here.


love this scene from the Yip Man film(the father of my sigung and of course Bruce Lee's teacher) demonstrates the 'soft style' perfectly.... Donnie Yen actually trained with Yip Chun for nearly five months to look authentic and all the moves used in the film by him are wing chun

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Re: english speaking wing chun tuition

That vid may be choreographed and by an actor who trained for 5 months, therefore not really a demonstration of actual WC fighting, but it is seriously, seriously awesome... I just watched it twice. Im going to download that movie.
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Old 10.10.2009, 13:47
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Re: english speaking wing chun tuition

Just watched the entire movie and it's a cracking film. Some of the best martial arts choreography I've see in a long time, and none of this wire work stuff either. Good plot as well.

The whole movie is available on you tube here

I seriously recommend watching it.
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Old 10.10.2009, 14:31
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Re: english speaking wing chun tuition

Hmm, fancy Friday night films (Hai-Ya!) tell me little about the martial arts and I don't find them interesting. To me, finding the Way is never been about fighting other people. It's always internal. I guess introspective martial arts films wouldn't fill the multiplexes

The guys in that clip illustrate the point clearly: they chose to fight, they lose. What would Confucius say? Fighting is for brawlers; martial arts are for students.

I fancied The Bride, though. She had no redeeming qualities, but tried.
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Re: english speaking wing chun tuition

At one time Martial Arts WAS all about fighting and being the best... even the internal masters used to roam China looking to fight eachother and see which style came out on top.

God I would have loved to see some of those epic showdowns. Pak'ua vs Tai-Chi, Hsing-Yi vs White Crane Kung Fu, Baji Quan vs... well anything really. Sigh.

James Sinclair, one of the best Wing Chun masters in Europe, even used to tour the country doing many undeground martial arts competitions and fights. While everyone has their own reasons for training in an MA, they are largely first and foremost barring some exceptions fighting arts designed to hurt people in the quickest and most efficient way possible. Especially Wing Chun.
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At one time Martial Arts WAS all about fighting and being the best... even the internal masters used to roam China looking to fight eachother and see which style came out on top.

God I would have loved to see some of those epic showdowns. Pak'ua vs Tai-Chi, Hsing-Yi vs White Crane Kung Fu, Baji Quan vs... well anything really. Sigh.

James Sinclair, one of the best Wing Chun masters in Europe, even used to tour the country doing many undeground martial arts competitions and fights. While everyone has their own reasons for training in an MA, they are largely first and foremost barring some exceptions fighting arts designed to hurt people in the quickest and most efficient way possible. Especially Wing Chun.
Appreciate your perspective, but I feel it's completely hollow without the internal journey. Learning how to kick ass for the sake of knowing how to kick ass lacks a crucial angle. Detaching the Ego is the first part, rather than detaching a retina
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Appreciate your perspective, but I feel it's completely hollow without the internal journey. Learning how to kick ass for the sake of knowing how to kick ass lacks a crucial angle. Detaching the Ego is the first part, rather than detaching a retina
Hourses for courses I guess. Not everyone needs to make an internal jounrney, some people are just happy with the way they are.
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Hmm, fancy Friday night films (Hai-Ya!) tell me little about the martial arts and I don't find them interesting. To me, finding the Way is never been about fighting other people. It's always internal. I guess introspective martial arts films wouldn't fill the multiplexes

The guys in that clip illustrate the point clearly: they chose to fight, they lose. What would Confucius say? Fighting is for brawlers; martial arts are for students.

I fancied The Bride, though. She had no redeeming qualities, but tried.
Not sure what a 'introspective' martial arts system is?
maybe the art of fighting without fighting.....or as we say up north give it legs....(ie. run away)

to be serious there must always be a balance between head and body but I am still unconvinced that internal reflection will help you in a fight, and there in lies the dicotomy, I deplore violence but I love a good scrap...
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Not sure what a 'introspective' martial arts system is?
maybe the art of fighting without fighting.....or as we say up north give it legs....(ie. run away)
It's the Uncle Max Pseudo-Philosophical Nonsense That No-One Else Understands way of fighting. Very effective in confusing an opponent, he uses it to devestating effect on this forum regularly.
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...I am still unconvinced that internal reflection will help you in a fight, and there in lies the dicotomy, I deplore violence but I love a good scrap...
You teach Wing Chun and you don't promote the spiritual element? Is that Wing Chun
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You teach Wing Chun and you don't promote the spiritual element? Is that Wing Chun
Yes, it's Wing Chun. In fact it's a very large number of Kung Fu's. The 'spiritual element' is wholly a personal choice, not a requirement, and certainly in general not a common part of Western martial arts teaching imo.

Most people just want to learn how to defend themselves and their families, and that's a more noble and far more tangible goal than spiritual enlightment.
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Re: english speaking wing chun tuition

Fair enough. I'd call that Self Defence. Hence my 'inner' comments.

Beautiful art, however you look at it.
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