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Old 10.05.2011, 15:21
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Certainly in England and France it is covered. .
But you are selling it here in Switzerland, so people wont be interested in what France or England does ;-)


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To be absolutely sure I have just spoken to Zurich (my insurers) and they have said :

a key secreted in the garden, UNDER A FLOWER POT etc, which is found and used to enter the house WOULD NOT BE COVERED. Apparently its not and "Infraction".

A Forced keysafe, either in situ on the property or removed and tampered with, WOULD BE COVERED as this is an 'infraction'. He clarified that this situation would be treated EXACTLY THE SAME as if the door was forced to gain entry.

Hope this helps.
Thank you. Just to clarify, I wouldn't leave a house key under a plant pot or similar, but have left one in the post box which is fixed securely to the wall and also locked and have given my children a post box key, which is much easier and cheaper to replace. From what you are saying, this should also be covered by the insurance were someone to force it open and steal the key, as it is similar to your key safe. But i somehow doubt it. It's still a bit confusing....
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The problem these days would be that if the plant pot wasnt screwed down someone would walk off with that !

We lived for many years Cotham / Redland area (one of the 'most affluent' parts of the city) but the amount of petty crime was incredible.

As I have mentioned a number of times today, there is a big difference between opportunistic crime and a 'tooled up' gang out to do a 'caper'.

Keysafes offer good protection against the former, for the later you really need the Green Hornet (great film by the way).
As opposed to hitting it off a fence post in the garden eh? I could then take it away for further gentle examination in a quieter area.

How is it fixed? Be careful with those wire cable jobs there's enough people cutting through these in CH that fancy a career update from stealing bicycles.
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But you are selling it here in Switzerland, so people wont be interested in what France or England does ;-)




Thank you. Just to clarify, I wouldn't leave a house key under a plant pot or similar, but have left one in the post box which is fixed securely to the wall and also locked and have given my children a post box key, which is much easier and cheaper to replace. From what you are saying, this should also be covered by the insurance were someone to force it open and steal the key, as it is similar to your key safe. But i somehow doubt it. It's still a bit confusing....
If you are in any doubt ring your insurers and ask. I am not sure about a post box and can offer no view.

Re England and France -- keysafes are very useful for holiday homes. I have one in France and I am sure others here have as well so while I understand it might not be relevant to some, it might be to others
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If you are in any doubt ring your insurers and ask. I am not sure about a post box and can offer no view.

Re England and France -- keysafes are very useful for holiday homes. I have one in France and I am sure others here have as well so while I understand it might not be relevant to some, it might be to others
Yes, I can see how they would be useful for holiday homes. I just thought that the information about insurance cover here in Switzerland (actually there, as I am in the UK right now) would be useful to anyone thinking of purchasing one to be used here.
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Re: Don't get locked out of your home again !

I am re-posting, from earlier, as it seems to have thus far gone unanswered and may have been missed in between the other continuing and subsequent "debates".

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For the Supra S5 and Supra S6, it is specified that no power source is required, so I'm assuming that the entering of the code is actually a mechanical process as the buttons are pushed and operates tumblers, or similar.

Having myself had locks seize after time through non-use or freeze from moisture in the air condensing on cold metal parts, as temperatures fall below zero, I am curious to enquire if the mechanism is sealed (air-tight) in any way and/or lubricated to prevent what I have described.

I have viewed the specifications and have noted the operational temperature range (although the upper limit of 68 (assume °F?) seems a little low for summer ambient temps. here) and I'm afraid 6 hrs. dust bombardment at 23°C means nothing to me.

If I was ever to have a requirement personally for this product, I can quite imagine that I may not actually need to use it, for purpose, for a very long time (I haven't had a problem with entry to my house in the last 10 yrs.), and on the occasion of needing to open it to remove the key, would like to be sure that the code/unlocking mechanism, would still function.

I further accept that the advice would be to check/open at regular intervals, but maybe after time, it is possible that this could be easily/realistically overlooked.
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I am re-posting, from earlier, as it seems to have thus far gone unanswered and may have been missed in between the other continuing and subsequent "debates".
Yes sorry, there were wuite a few posts and its difficult to keep tabs.

Are they mechanical, these models are yes. This avoids installation complication (no need for a 'sparky') and means that they are imune to power cuts ....

Operating temperatures. The info on the site is from the manufacture. The Supra S5 and S6 both have thick plastic covers which means they are very well protected from the weather.

Regarding 'rusting', I can only say I have never found this a problem. We have had one on our hoiliday house in Brittany for around 6 or 7 years and we have had no issues with it whatsoever even though every thing down there seems to suffer very badly from the proximity to the sea. As a holiday home it is sometimes 6 months between uses so there is no issue with infrequent use as such.

Hope this helps.

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Having myself had locks seize after time through non-use or freeze from moisture in the air condensing on cold metal parts, as temperatures fall below zero, I am curious to enquire if the mechanism is sealed (air-tight) in any way and/or lubricated to prevent what I have described.
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The Supra S5 and S6 both have thick plastic covers which means they are very well protected from the weather.

Regarding 'rusting', I can only say I have never found this a problem.
Thanks for responding.

My point was not concerning direct weather protection and rusting, but the effect of moisture content in the air causing problems.
Is there any way that cold damp air can circulate within the mechanism, and then become frozen during cold winter freezing conditions?

Much in the same way as we've all had to unfreeze car door locks on a cold frosty morning, in the days before remote locking.
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Thanks for responding.

My point was not concerning direct weather protection and rusting, but the effect of moisture content in the air causing problems.
Is there any way that cold damp air can circulate within the mechanism, and then become frozen during cold winter freezing conditions?

Much in the same way as we've all had to unfreeze car door locks on a cold frosty morning, in the days before remote locking.
I suppose ice could form anywhere but in answer to your question, I have no idea. Personally I have never had this happen with a keysafe or with a car.

We recently purchased a new car and this was not one of the questions we asked. Are you sure you aren't just looking for obscure problems ?

If you were to ask the same problem regarding standard yale locks, I would have to say that Ice could also, theoretically block your yale lock if water or moisture was to circulate in the lock and freeze.
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I suppose ice could form anywhere but in answer to your question, I have no idea. Personally I have never had this happen with a keysafe or with a car.

We recently purchased a new car and this was not one of the questions we asked. Are you sure you aren't just looking for obscure problems ?

If you were to ask the same problem regarding standard yale locks, I would have to say that Ice could also, theoretically block your yale lock if water or moisture was to circulate in the lock and freeze.
No.... I have had car locks freeze many times in the past, even in UK, and have to use copious amounts of WD40 as both cure and prevention. My current car, despite remote locking, requires the key for the petrol filler cap, which too has frozen on occasion in the past. Padlocks have frozen as have garden gate latches.
This is a genuine problem when temperatures fall to -10°C or below, despite preventative measures of spraying with WD40, for any mechanical locking mechanism which is exposed to high air humidity and freezing temperatures, if not air-tight sealed and/or covered in a film of oil.

You are trying to promote a product in Switzerland which probably sees much colder prolonged temperatures than other markets where it has previously been available. I kid you not this could be a problem.

As for the picture of the keysafe on a fence post, even at my altitude of just over 700m I could envisage sever difficulties in opening.

Regarding Yale locks, one side is normally faced with temperatures above freezing on the internal side, and again, for me, is treated with a spray of WD40 as prevention. Although I have known people who have had to heat up their key with a lighter, because the mechanism became stiff to turn and they feared breaking their key.
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Re: Don't get locked out of your home again !

so that's all fine and dandy but how do you get in the communal front door? Especially if it's after 10:00pm and you'd have to bear the wrath of a mad Swiss woman for waking her up to buzz you in?
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No.... I have had car locks freeze many times in the past, even in UK, and have to use copious amounts of WD40 as both cure and prevention. My current car, despite remote locking, requires the key for the petrol filler cap, which too has frozen on occasion in the past. Padlocks have frozen as have garden gate latches.
This is a genuine problem when temperatures fall to -10°C or below, despite preventative measures of spraying with WD40, for any mechanical locking mechanism which is exposed to high air humidity and freezing temperatures, if not air-tight sealed and/or covered in a film of oil.

You are trying to promote a product in Switzerland which probably sees much colder prolonged temperatures than other markets where it has previously been available. I kid you not this could be a problem.

As for the picture of the keysafe on a fence post, even at my altitude of just over 700m I could envisage sever difficulties in opening.

Regarding Yale locks, one side is normally faced with temperatures above freezing on the internal side, and again, for me, is treated with a spray of WD40 as prevention. Although I have known people who have had to heat up their key with a lighter, because the mechanism became stiff to turn and they feared breaking their key.
I've had a quick look around the web and cant find any 'freezing problems' reported with the product.

Supra keysafes have been around since 1955 in the USA (which also boasts some severe weather conditions) and is now owned by a division of GE.

The spec for the product says 'Operating Temp: -32 to +68 C'Operating Temp: -32 to +68 CSnow / Ice: (-) 26 COperating Temp: -32 to +68 CSnow / Ice: (-) 26 Cand 'Snow / Ice: (-) 26 C ' as you have previously noted. I would imagine, especially in the states, making this claim if it was not able to be substantiated would not makecommercial sense and I would not expect a company like GE to make unsubstantiated claims.

I am, however, unable to validate their findings.
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so that's all fine and dandy but how do you get in the communal front door? Especially if it's after 10:00pm and you'd have to bear the wrath of a mad Swiss woman for waking her up to buzz you in?
Put the safe outside on a convenient wall (preferably in an obscure position).
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