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Old 16.12.2010, 14:49
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

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The U.S channels are the worst. Just look at Fox "news" .
That's not really a good example - especially relating to gov't control.
Murdoch's been trying to manipulate the media on 3 continents for years - who needs gov't interference?
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Old 16.12.2010, 14:54
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The U.S channels are the worst. Just look at Fox "news" . I will say that SF does give the news in a straight forward way without any scare tatics, over hyping, or just flat out lying (fox news) But in a nation of secrecy you cant tell me that if an SF reporter where to "dig up serious dirt" on a private bank, corrupted bundersrat official etc, that they would air that story? They might, but not until it was safe to do so. I.E the rumors have been spreading like wild fire. They are very reluctant to air anything that might tarnish the Swiss image.
Fox news is hardly a standard by which to guide news. Its also not at all controlled or censored by the government. It is and is recognized as "entertainment" news. If you are watching the news, there really is very little difference in "unbiased" news in quality or content matter. Fox decided to distinguish themselves by concentrating on the 50% or so Americans that lean conservative instead of trying to appeal to everyone. Later MSNC saw the sucess of this so they decided to appeal to liberal americans. Both channels slant their news to their target demographics but neither are considered as the be all end all for news
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Old 16.12.2010, 14:56
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That's not really a good example - especially relating to gov't control.
Murdoch's been trying to manipulate the media on 3 continents for years - who needs gov't interference?

Fox is more party controlled than govt controlled. Same as MSNBC. Cant stand either. The Onion baby! Now thats real news.
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Old 16.12.2010, 15:09
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

I really couldn't give a gnat's chuff about US v UK channels, what I really want to know is where the hell I can get my hands on more of the Argie dancing show?
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I really couldn't give a gnat's chuff about US v UK channels, what I really want to know is where the hell I can get my hands on more of the Argie dancing show?
44 posts and finally one guy gets my original point!
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I really couldn't give a gnat's chuff about US v UK channels, what I really want to know is where the hell I can get my hands on more of the Argie dancing show?
Why don't you just watch pr0n and be done with it?
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I really couldn't give a gnat's chuff about US v UK channels, what I really want to know is where the hell I can get my hands on more of the Argie dancing show?
Soon to be coming to an Italian channel, near you. Hooray, HooRai
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Old 16.12.2010, 15:32
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

I don't even watch TV. It's a idiotic mean of dulling oneself. Instead, I'd rather read a book or do something productive online.
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Old 16.12.2010, 16:28
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

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The U.S channels are the worst. Just look at Fox "news" . I will say that SF does give the news in a straight forward way without any scare tatics, over hyping, or just flat out lying (fox news) But in a nation of secrecy you cant tell me that if an SF reporter where to "dig up serious dirt" on a private bank, corrupted bundersrat official etc, that they would air that story? They might, but not until it was safe to do so. I.E the rumors have been spreading like wild fire. They are very reluctant to air anything that might tarnish the Swiss image.
You repeat the term Bundesrat all the time and I start to wonder how well you actually understood the Swiss system: Unlike the government of basically all other democratic countries does Switzerland not have a ruling party and an opposition: The Bundesrat is set up by members from ALL politicial parties - from SVP to SP.

So just some examples:
- Lets say SF does "dig up serious dirt" about a single member. You can bet that at least half of the other members have a high interest in the news to be broadcasted! They want any opponent to get kicked out and then let the parties fight for the vacant seat... While I personally do not think that this aspect of the Swiss tradition is necessarily the most effective way to do politics - it would keep the SF relatively independent even if the Bundesrat would have the power to immediately influence the program. But they don't anyway...
- Lets say SF does find some serious stuff about a bank: the socialists and greens in the Bundesrat would not stay quiet... it would be great news for them and strengthen their positions - so they will bring it into the news...
The problem was in the past years not that the Bundesrat kept secrets but the opposite: Far too often were things leaked at an "inappropriate time", or a time a single party would benefit from it.

I am personally for transparency and therefore support wikileaks, but quite regularly does keeping secrets make perfect sense for a government at least temporarily - you do not always want the media to discuss the options and positions of individuals for example in hostage negotiations before the hostage has been freed. The Swiss media did so anyway (think Lybia). Swiss media is probably not the most professional, best funded or most flashy, and their entertainment stuff is terrible - but I do in fact trust them that they do their best in an independent way when it comes to the news or politics.
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

Well thank you then for correcting me. I very rarely watch T.V so my opinion is not that informed. Just precieved.
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

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Actually funding shouldn't be the issue - think how much you pay Billag plus all the advertising. I could well imagine SF generates as much as, say, C4 in the UK but the value for that money is pretty poor in comparison imo. Their own production mainly consists of talk shows and game shows, both of which are pretty cheap by TV standards to produce. The rest is imports, sport and news which, apart from the news, should also be relatively inexpensive given the small market and monopoly supplier that SF is.

It does try to spread itself too thinly - why, for example, does TSI operate 2 channels for the relatively tiny Italian population.

BTW agree 100% on British TV. Unequalled anywhere else including most US output.
Reality is that SF pays salaries to showmasters etc which are ways below what the same persons, if being good, can get at ARD, ZDF, RTL, SAT1, etc . This was the reason why people like Messrs Kachelmann, Kurt Felix and Vico Torriani did their careers with TV companies in Germany.


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Why ? The RTSI already in the mid-70ies, had sold its service by cable all over most of Italy down to Salerno. In the mid-80ies their coverage, not least based on their superb news, not only had "conquered" Sicily but had become available in Tunisia as well. Their market so is NOT "tiny" at all but quite considerable. Why Tunisia ? Because the Tunisians, being fed up with the "news" of their heavily censored state media, much earlier had started to watch RAI news and to listen to Radio Monte Carlo, and so liked the independent RTSI

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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

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Actually funding shouldn't be the issue - think how much you pay Billag plus all the advertising. I could well imagine SF generates as much as, say, C4 in the UK but the value for that money is pretty poor in comparison imo. Their own production mainly consists of talk shows and game shows, both of which are pretty cheap by TV standards to produce. The rest is imports, sport and news which, apart from the news, should also be relatively inexpensive given the small market and monopoly supplier that SF is.

It does try to spread itself too thinly - why, for example, does TSI operate 2 channels for the relatively tiny Italian population.

BTW agree 100% on British TV. Unequalled anywhere else including most US output.

No Way Aussie TV is heaps better .. to start we dont pay TV tax. We have more ad breaks but they put them in better places.. and they dont have 15minute new broadcasts in the middle of the movie.. For instance I was watching Indiana Jones and the temple of doom once in the UK and just as the bad guy was reaching in to the victims chest to pull out his heart, they cut to a TV commercial.. that has to be one of the all time scariest scenes (as a kid especially) and they cut to a bloody commercial!! Whats that all about!
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

There's no competition in Switzerland among TV producers, there's no competition within SRG (the company running the Swiss TV channels).

It's not about quality, whether you can work at SRG, it's about whom you know. Once you're in, you can have a cushy number and make your brother a production assistant and your nephew a script writer. Good salaries, no questions asked. Being gay makes it even easier to get in (no offense intended here, but it's true and no secret).

Anyway, I suppose the Switzerland lacks the critical mass to run a few competitive TV channels that require continuous improvement to survive.
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

I find the luxury of having 6 public TV channels for a country of 7 million is just a little expensive. Especially TSI - 2 channels for a population of 300.000, really?
Anyway, at least some programmes on the public channels still offer a million times more quality than the private channels.
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

I'm pretty happy with CableCom - with my standard subscription I get a DRV and loads of channels from Europe (British - more channels than I remember in the UK e.g,. BBC1, 2, 3, 4 ITV 1, 2, 3 C4 E4 etc.etc French, Italian, German etc.) and European versions of US channels e.g., CNN, CNBC Europe, bloomberg.

I also like to supplement my viewing with iTunes which I consume using an Apple TV and an account created with a US credit card which means you get the same selection as in the US if you're into that sort of thing.

Also, get a TV with a couple of extra ports (HDMI is fab as in 1 cable you can transmit both the video and audio signals) and plug in a computer for YouTube. If you like TopGear then you'll like this in 1080p HD
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Old 01.02.2011, 23:07
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I'm pretty happy with CableCom - with my standard subscription I get a DRV and loads of channels from Europe (British - more channels than I remember in the UK e.g,. BBC1, 2, 3, 4 ITV 1, 2, 3 C4 E4 etc.etc French, Italian, German etc.) and European versions of US channels e.g., CNN, CNBC Europe, bloomberg.
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Re: Swiss TV: Why can it not be a bit better?

What exactly are people looking for on TV anyway? Ever more talent competitions, reality TV and news about abroad but with US / UK analysis instead of the local viewpoint? There are enough Cablecom/telereseau channels for that.

Swiss TV at least shows a ton of imported stuff in original language, unlike neighbouring countries. If you like a laugh they even provide Musikantenstadl, a wonderful pan Germanic beer event (the Swiss French channel TSR2 has started showing it too so you can tell it's top notch). Otherwise as pointed out, the budgets aren't high and they have to reflect local ( "under 50s housewife") tastes (although these days it appears to be aimed at the over 50s/ OPAs.

Still, it could be Italian TV.
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What exactly are people looking for on TV anyway?
I wanted dancing girls and cairn terriers, but Cablecom didn't come up with the goods so I cancelled the contract.

Who needs telly when you can have youtube?
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Just my luck, we get English language channels here and they're from England??

Not that Im against English tv or humor, but its not the only representation of the English speaking world.
You also get Al Jazeera in English for a different view, and CNN for an all together different (American) perspective.
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