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Old 06.01.2011, 12:26
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Re: Off-leash dogs that attack

My son was 2 years old at the time.

The dogs in question - Great Dane and Alsatian - had their muzzles right in his face and while not aggressive if you are only small it can be quite a nasty experience.

If any dog of mine had done the same, I would have apologised to the person affected and disciplined the dog. If you don't the dog thinks such behaviour is acceptable. The owners in question did none of these.

And quite frankly I find this and your other posts on this thread to be entirely insensitive to the point of being offensive.



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I groaned you because I can't believe you are serious.

A dog looked at your son and now he is traumatised?
I am sorry but either your son needs to harden up because, and lets be honest, the playground is going to offer a lot worse than a dog that looks at him strangely or you have completely over reacted.

Also why do people always say, I have had lots of experiences with dogs when I was a child, we had x, y, z and therefore I can happily be ignorant and write what I like. It sounds exactly like saying, I have friends who are black and then reeling out a whole load of racist clap trap, mistakenly thinking that you have justified yourself in talking utter rubbish.

"I grew up with kids there was one in my house when I was young, however one was screaming non-stop on a train and now my dog is traumatised and runs away everytime he see's a small child, THIS MUST STOP".....is about as ludicrous as the nonsense you have written.
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Old 07.01.2011, 16:45
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Hopefully to the owner, unless they like that sort of thing.
Can we do that to all the little shitty uncontrolled kids we see in parks or urban environments ...
And their parents !


Kids should be leashed or under control of the parents - just brilliant.
It will make going out in CH a far more pleasurable experience ...
Bring it on!!
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Old 07.01.2011, 16:52
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Re: Off-leash dogs that attack

Speaking of anti-social behaviour, I remember the time when we were with our dog at an off-leash park in Zurich and some randy homo four-legged mutt was trying to violate my dog's bum. The owner was not concerned and it was left to me to discipline his dog.

My initial efforts with voice and hand actions failed. It was only when I had to go to the extreme of using a metal drinks tray to stop the darned thing being a complete pest that the creature got the message that my dog's bum was off-limits.

The owner was still disinterested in how his dog was behaving. Which was good as the shock of his dog getting the tray in the mush would've maybe woken the owner up as much as the dog.

It's simple; if your hound can behave then consider letting them off. You also are obliged to keep an eye on your dog at all times and ensure that nobody else is being annoyed or intimidated by the dog.
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My initial efforts with voice and hand actions failed. It was only when I had to go to the extreme of using a metal drinks tray to stop the darned thing being a complete pest that the creature got the message that my dog's bum was off-limits.
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If the other owner isn't looking, a quick twist of the offending hounds family Jewels often sends the message to the hound without appearing too violent in public.

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Old 07.01.2011, 17:08
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If the other owner isn't looking, a quick twist of the offending family Jewels often sends the message
This is true in all situations.
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Old 07.01.2011, 17:14
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If the other owner isn't looking, a quick twist of the offending hounds family Jewels often sends the message to the hound without appearing too violent in public.
oh believe you me, the dog smarted and nobody knew what had happened - even the people at the table with me. When used with a deft flick of the wrist underneath a table, the target at 2m distance, being a dog, could not understand:

a) what hit them
b) where it came from
c) when it would next be coming again

Nature kicked in as soon as the pain travelled from mush to brain cell.

I was not happy with having to frisbee the tray into said hound's mush but if dog and owner did not respond to clear indicators that it was time to stop and behave sociably, escalation was necessary. I would do it again if I was in a similar situation.
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This is true in all situations.
Ahh yes,

Typically it is the female of the species who has truely mastered the technique.

The professional female has an ambidextrous ability to twist both the 'boys', and the wallet simultaneously.

It is an art form.
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Old 07.01.2011, 17:32
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Can we do that to all the little shitty uncontrolled kids we see in parks or urban environments ...
And their parents !


Kids should be leashed or under control of the parents - just brilliant.
It will make going out in CH a far more pleasurable experience ...
Bring it on!!
Your leash of tolerance must be very short, 'cause honestly, I find kids in Switzerland behaving pretty well in a vast majority.
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Your leash of tolerance must be very short, 'cause honestly, I find kids in Switzerland behaving pretty well in a vast majority.
Seriously.... Nil is right. Kids here are much better behaved than elsewhere. They're taught to respect and to be polite. Of course there are expections, but they're rather few and far between.

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Old 07.01.2011, 20:02
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Your leash of tolerance must be very short, 'cause honestly, I find kids in Switzerland behaving pretty well in a vast majority.

Yeap, Swiss kids normally are ....

Olygirl,

Brave groan - perhaps if you would like to explain??
So it's ok for parents to lambast all dog owners but not the other way round ...?
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Old 07.01.2011, 20:26
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I for one do not appreciate having my arse sniffed and hands dribbled on by passing dogs, which often happens with dogs not on leads. If there were an 'electric stick' available (a bit like a mild Taser) I would carry it with me on walks and apply it every time a dog makes physical contact.

Only problem is I would get through a lot of batteries...
Use a stick with a needle/nail/pin on the end. Batteries not required.
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Ahh yes,

Typically it is the female of the species who has truely mastered the technique.

The professional female has an ambidextrous ability to twist both the 'boys', and the wallet simultaneously.

It is an art form.
In Australia it's either called the squirrel grip (in rugby league) or a Christmas handshake ... either way, you get a handful of nuts.
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Old 07.01.2011, 21:12
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Yeap, Swiss kids normally are ....

Olygirl,

Brave groan - perhaps if you would like to explain??
So it's ok for parents to lambast all dog owners but not the other way round ...?
Children do not attack with sharp teeth and do not frighten me with possible violence. Children are CHILDREN and dogs are ANIMALS. When one begins to compare bad behaviour between children and dogs, then the conversation has taken a turn for the worse.
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Children do not attack with sharp teeth and do not frighten me with possible violence. Children are CHILDREN and dogs are ANIMALS. When one begins to compare bad behaviour between children and dogs, then the conversation has taken a turn for the worse.
Tell that to Jamie Bulger's parents ....
Or the child soldiers in Liberia?
Or Pol Pot's regieme ?

Actually we are all animals. What;s your point?
Man has been responsible to most of the horrors on the planet
We are all trained - in some way or another , by our elders/ parents. We are conditioned from an early age - some of the behaviour is inate, some learned, and some environmental


Unfortunately both dog owners and parents can be extremely indulgent ... both are the fault of the 'owners"
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Old 07.01.2011, 22:17
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Nothing spoils a lovely stroll through the snow like two dogs (one enormous and one small) racing toward you whilst barking and growling. The big one knocked me down just as the owner called them both back.

I know I'm half Persian, so to be fair the dogs may have thought I was a terrorist. But still....

In good news, my flailing made an epic snow angel on the path.

I do not believe that dogs are politically or ethnically motivated, or have political motives for their doings. And that the big one "knocked you down" just shows that loved you and welcomed you. I was on most excellent terms with the big 50kg-plus dog of my sister-in-law, and when he wanted to welcome me enthusiastically I always rushed to have a wall behind me, because a "flying" 50kg dog has an unbelievable force ! Barking, depending on situation, can be a welcome or/and a sign of enthusiasm and friendship.

And to turn back to growling. If you really believe that it was an intentional attack, this would mean that the owner does not have his dog(s) under control, and if so you ought to make a report with police.

The owner possibly just needs a course about dog-keeping. I in case of dogs of relatives always realized whether a particular dog really accepted me as "member of the Alphas" or just as "friend of the family". The big one I mentioned above fully accepted me as his Alpha, while his successor just accepted me as "friend of the family" which meant that the first one accepted my commands even if a few meters away from me while the second took commands from me just as a kind of recommendations !

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Tell that to Jamie Bulger's parent ....
That was a planned murder. I do not see the comparison with off-leash dog attacks and Jamie Bulger. Both are terrible tragedies but not comparable.
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When one begins to compare bad behaviour between children and dogs, then the conversation has taken a turn for the worse.
For me the conversation just stops. As I said earlier, dogs have a better place here than kids and Hedge is just confirming my statement on those kind of people...
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That was a planned murder. I do not see the comparison with off-leash dog attacks and Jamie Bulger. Both are terrible tragedies but not comparable.
So, you've just contradicted your argument. I'm not sure dogs tool themselves up for a ruck on the daily walk

My point is both parents and dog owners can be very indulgent and ignorant, there are good and bad versions of both. If you don't tar everyone dog with the same brush then I won't do the same for kids ...

Can we agree?
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So, you've just contradicted your argument. I'm not sure dogs tool themselves up for a ruck on the daily walk

My point is both parents and dog owners can be very indulgent, there are good and bad versions of both. If you don't tar everyone dog with the same brush then I won't do the same for kids ...

Can we agree?
Yes, you will find good and bad in both. You will also find good and bad teeth in my mouth. You will find good and bad clementines in the bin at the store. You will find good and bad deals on the internet. You will find good and bad everywhere (which is why religion was born). However, for me, putting children and animals on the same level is unethical.
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