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Old 24.01.2011, 23:04
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I went to this bar in Basel full of smokers and run by Rhodesians. I checked everywhere and it doesn't exist! In fact, when I went outside, it didn't exist in real life either! Now what?!?
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Old 24.01.2011, 23:19
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Could they operate under a special status? not because of their origins but because of the permit they got... I mean, they are not hiding, they can be seen from the street so the police and authorities can see them too. It could be a special kind of coffee with a different kind of permit?
No, they in the Canton of Zurich cannot. But they possibly are not aware that the law in Zurich goes farther than the union law which sets the minimum and not the maximum. In Cantons which do not have stricter Cantonal smoking laws, small places with less than a certain number of square meters and a certain number of seats can operate as "Raucher-Beizen".

Which means in practice that if you have a small bar/restaurant with only three tables and some 12 chairs in Richterswil/ZH your establishment is fully non-smoking, BUT if you have the same thing over in Pfäffikon/SZ you can declare your place as a smoker-place.

They however CAN turn their places into clubs, but they did NOT do so up to now.

The second one even has the smoking ban explained at the entrance, including the advice that the outside places do allow smoking and are served.

The point in Glattbrugg is that if the ex-Yugos are allowed to disrespect the ban in such an extreme way, gradually others may follow, and then we are on the same point as before the ban within a short time.

I tell you this. If I meet a fully Swiss place practicing such methods, I will immediately phone up the police without hesitation !
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Old 24.01.2011, 23:26
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Frankly, if you're not bothered by their nationality then why mention it?

Anyway......what I read from your post is that somebody might have been smoking and, without seeing who it was, you were blaming certain people.

Vote with your feet, complain to the owner....but if you call the police, they will not really be pleased.

There is no evidence that people were smoking bar a smell - and we all know that a smoker coming in, fresh after smoking outside, in a clean-smelling place brings the eau de tabac flavouring into the room.
Why "bothered" with their nationality ? Because people from former Yugoslavia are the most intense smokers in Switzerland, and that is a definite fact. This in a way makes the stance of the owners of such places understandable in a way. Exactly this is why I now took the relatively soft way in this regard. At the other hand, if we start to tolerate precedents, then the smoking ban will get eaten up gradually as then others will follow in their path. I am an absolute supporter of the Swiss way with the "Fumoir" compromise, but I know "native-Swiss" smokers who would support moves to ruin the ban if they could ! To say it again, if I meet something thelike in a place run by "native-Swiss" it will result in an immediate phone-call to the police !
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Old 24.01.2011, 23:31
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I heard the Swiss authorities decided to make an exception for them as a countermeasure for the higher costs of the car insurances they have to pay.
In that case I will launch a new initiative. They will get exception-approvals if paying a yearly fee of CHF 233'333.-- ! And the fee will be used for 25% for measures against smoking and for 75% for the financing of public transport !
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Old 25.01.2011, 06:00
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Dear Aunt EF

The Missus and I were back in Züri recently and we both bought ZVV tickets that were clearly marked Not Transferable. Despite us both knowing this, we swapped tickets with each other anyway.

Now we're worried that Wolli will find out and shop us to the Rozzers.

What should we do?

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Old 25.01.2011, 22:27
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Dear Aunt EF

The Missus and I were back in Züri recently and we both bought ZVV tickets that were clearly marked Not Transferable. Despite us both knowing this, we swapped tickets with each other anyway.

Now we're worried that Wolli will find out and shop us to the Rozzers.

What should we do?

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Nice story, but not really correct, as most sorts of tickets on VBZ/ZVV, which means all those with a photo included are fully transferable If you however have a season ticket with your photo, I doubt that you and Mrs W can change it so easily
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Old 25.01.2011, 23:57
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Nice story, but not really correct, as most sorts of tickets on VBZ/ZVV, which means all those with a photo included are fully transferable If you however have a season ticket with your photo, I doubt that you and Mrs W can change it so easily
I believe he bought single tickets. Get him bubbled.
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Old 25.01.2011, 23:57
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I believe he bought single tickets.
That's not allowed! He's already admitted he isn't single.
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Old 26.01.2011, 04:29
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I right today in Glattbrugg was in another pub (again owned by ex-Yugo...., half of all locals here are) and some people were happily smoking.

I later on at home checked up, and found out that neither of them can be found in the phone-book, neither of them is on the internet and none of the two is in the commercial register of the Canton. So I now sent an Email-information-request to the City-Chancellory of Glattbrugg, asking whether the two restaurants had a special permission for allowing smoking, and whether they are registered in any way as gastronomy places. I mean, when Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Turkish, Arab and Italian places have to pay respect to the anti-smoking legislation, I do not believe that they have the right to disrespect the law. In Seebach-Oerlikon a very nice Tunisian place with nice Sheeshas and excellent wines had to give up due to the new law. True, ex-Yugostan is in Europe, but that does not make them superior to others ! I look forward to see the reply from the City-Chancellory ! If they want to involve the police it is THEIR choice and not mine
So after being unsure and asking for advice on EF, and receiving about 200 posts and lots of groans, you decided in the next case you came across it should be reported. Did I miss something in reading the thread, or did you just decide to do the opposite.
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Old 26.01.2011, 09:55
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So after being unsure and asking for advice on EF, and receiving about 200 posts and lots of groans, you decided in the next case you came across it should be reported. Did I miss something in reading the thread, or did you just decide to do the opposite.
Asking for advices doesn't force someone to follow them!
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Old 26.01.2011, 10:04
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Re: Should we as non-smokers advise the police ?

as someone quoted your post I just have to say Wollishofener you come across as a totally racist small minded prat.
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Old 26.01.2011, 10:10
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Asking for advices doesn't force someone to follow them!
Of course not, he is free to do what he wants. But after asking and all these pages of opinion, it would be interesting to hear how all these views influenced him, especially as he posted to say it had happened again and this time he decided to report it, albeit to the local commune and not the police.

A summary conclusion from the OP would round off the thread nicely...
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Old 26.01.2011, 10:14
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Of course not, he is free to do what he wants. But after asking and all these pages of opinion, it would be interesting to hear how all these views influenced him, especially as he posted to say it had happened again and this time he decided to report it, albeit to the local commune and not the police.

A summary conclusion from the OP would round off the thread nicely...

I think, in the interests of fairness, its my duty to report to the restaurants who it was who grassed on them, im sure mr self righteous wouldn't be feeling so smug then
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Old 26.01.2011, 10:29
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Of course not, he is free to do what he wants. But after asking and all these pages of opinion, it would be interesting to hear how all these views influenced him, especially as he posted to say it had happened again and this time he decided to report it, albeit to the local commune and not the police.

A summary conclusion from the OP would round off the thread nicely...
Knowing Wolli, I would believe it was more for creating a passionnate debate then anything else. And add some oil in the process!
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Knowing Wolli, I would believe it was more for creating a passionnate debate then anything else. And add some oil in the process!
Knowing Wolli and looking at the timestamp when the thread was started, I think the actual explanation might be even simpler.
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Knowing Wolli, I would believe it was more for creating a passionnate debate then anything else. And add some oil in the process!
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Nice story, but not really correct, as most sorts of tickets on VBZ/ZVV, which means all those with a photo included are fully transferable If you however have a season ticket with your photo, I doubt that you and Mrs W can change it so easily
Well, I'm hardly going to tell you the full details of our crimes, am I?

I'm too young to rot away in prison for the rest of my life. And what if they found out about the time with the "Queue Here" sign and I deliberatley queued somewhere else?
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Well, I'm hardly going to tell you the full details of our crimes, am I?

I'm too young to rot away in prison for the rest of my life. And what if they found out about the time with the "Queue Here" sign and I deliberatley queued somewhere else?

NOT queuing is not punishable in Switzerland
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And got some feedback from the local city-police today. In case of the first place, it turned out that the fumoir of the adjoining restaurant and the small café/bar beside are not properly separated. They will have to to some building changes now before they can restart that fumoir. The other one will have got some visit(s) by non-uniformed policemen this afternoon. The police-chap told me that they are quite determined to solve the matter ....
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NOT queuing is not punishable in Switzerland
It may not be illegal in Switzerland, but it's certainly punishable if you jump any queue that I'm waiting in

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And got some feedback from the local city-police today. In case of the first place, it turned out that the fumoir of the adjoining restaurant and the small café/bar beside are not properly separated. They will have to to some building changes now before they can restart that fumoir. The other one will have got some visit(s) by non-uniformed policemen this afternoon. The police-chap told me that they are quite determined to solve the matter ....
Phew, thank goodness for that! Finally, I might be able to sleep again at nights , now - thanks, Wolli
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