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Old 22.01.2011, 19:25
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Re: Don't like to gripe, but...

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What are international traffic laws? In the USA, for instance, traffic laws differ even from state to state, see "turn right on red" or the "Michigan left."
It's simple. The rule says: "when in Rome do as the Romans do" or follow the flock. Anything less than that, will get you in troubles.
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Old 22.01.2011, 19:28
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Re: Don't like to gripe, but...

I always drive as if I have the right of way and shout and gesture to anyone who disagrees.
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Old 22.01.2011, 19:30
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I always drive as if I have the right of way and shout and gesture to anyone who disagrees.
That's exactly how they drive in Italy.
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Old 22.01.2011, 20:30
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Re: Don't like to gripe, but...

Just drive a right hand drive car like I do then you always know which is your right and left
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Old 22.01.2011, 23:38
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Re: Don't like to gripe, but...

I notice that some people think the rule is completely normal and some (including me) think it's a crazy rule which can only lead to accidents. I'm guessing that the rule is implemented differently in different places maybe?

I've no idea how it's done in France, but I can imagine if it's a crossroads like a four-way stop, then a "right before left" rule can actually reduce confusion and make it clear who's got priority. Fair enough. But what I see here in Germany and what I find completely illogical, is when you have a long straight road with a 50 km/h limit, which is one continuous road. Then you have a side road which is a little residential dead-end road which meets the "main road" at 90 degrees. It's obvious when you're on the main road that you're just driving straight ahead on a main road, and it's obvious when you drive out of the residential side road that your road is coming to an end and you either turn left 90 degrees onto the main road or turn right 90 degrees onto the main road. Those on the main road are cruising at 50 and those coming out of the side road are obviously slowing down to a stop so they can see what's going on on the main road.

So everything looks as though the side road guy has to wait to pull out into the main road except for this right-before-left rule which isn't on all such roads of course, just some of them, and then under those special circumstances the guy doing 50 straight on has to jam on the brakes and let the stationary guy out. Except the stationary guy wants to be sure that the 50 guy does indeed know this special rule and is going to jam on his brakes, so he waits just a little to make sure the 50 guy is slowing down, which means the 50 guy does indeed have to slow riiiiiight down and you get a slow-moving convoy of cars instead of just one guy waiting a little.

Then if the guy from the side road actually wants to turn left, then what? Then it gets even crazier - the cars on his left all suddenly jam on their brakes to give way to this guy coming out of a tiny side road. Except he can't come out yet because he's got to give way to the cars going in the opposite direction on the main road. So now you've got a tailback in one direction, a car half poking out of the tiny side road, and everyone's now waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic. That's just weird.

So I'm guessing that those who like and understand the rule are used to seeing it in places where it makes sense, whereas what I'm seeing is just craziness, uncertainty, hesitation and confusion. And the strong likelihood that someone will eventually forget whether this rule applies on this particular junction or not and just assume right of way when they haven't got it.

I hate it.
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Old 23.01.2011, 00:06
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Re: Don't like to gripe, but...

I, sometimes look with an amazement a those scared faces starring at me in disbelief when I start driving on the wrong side of the road 60kmh in urban area (counter traffic like I normally would back in SA or in the UK). Cannot these people have consideration for a foreigner who is bound to make mistakes? No one is perfect so such mistakes should be perfectly acceptable by standard traffic laws and cops should close an eye on such

Seriously though, it's another country and we should embrace generally accepted traffic laws. If majority of the drivers logically follow their rules, why would I try to be different and confuse the rest. Take a spin around and you will soon realize what the rules are all about and try to follow them so that it will make everyone's life easier.
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Old 23.01.2011, 00:29
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What are international traffic laws? In the USA, for instance, traffic laws differ even from state to state, see "turn right on red" or the "Michigan left."
The "Europarat" (Council of Europe) has a special organisation which makes "international traffic laws" accepted between Greenland and Khabarovsk. The power of the Europarat is that it has no power ! Which means that its decisions generally are universal compromises and minimal guidelines, leaving the details to each member-state, but also meaning that the basics are generally accepted.
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Old 23.01.2011, 11:39
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I'll do it anyway. Topic: traffic laws

Can anyone tell me why one is supposed to yield to the car on the right?

If I approach a three way intersection on the side road and want to turn left onto the 'main' (straight) road, what is the logic of making the driver on my left stop? I've always been amazed at this traffic law.
Thanks for posting this!

To me it doesn't make any sense either. If you are on a road, and somebody turns on to your road, they should shop. It makes sense, that way every road is a main road.

To me it seems like the Swiss are a little unsure about their rule, as some roads turning on to a road which isn't a main one have a yield sign and they have to stop anyway... so they should check... kind of prooves to me it's not really a great rule.

However as stupid as it is, I guess we just have to learn and follow it - or choose not to drive!
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In Pratteln, there's an "end of priority" sign. About 50m further along, there's a road from the right... but it has white broken lines in front, so they have to give way anyway. Then there's a priority sign.

I blame Napolean. Though it seems to be even more widespread than I though.
Actually, Sissach had one of the truly classic intersections that that has since been corrected.

Driving downhill from the Sissacherflue, there was a long sweeping left curve just before you entered the town. Most normal drivers (of COURSE, not a God-sent gift to transportation like Ratbert ), would be looking to the left to evaluate the traffic coming up the hill, and not even realize that a small residential feeder road on the left actually allowed a driver to come roaring out (at 50 kmh, of course) and legally t-bone the person coming down the hill and yet still have priority. All attempts to rectify the situation were ignored until, I'm told, someone on the Gemeinde got hammered by some pensioner whilst driving exactly as described above and had to pay for both wrecks.

So there is some justice in the world.
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Old 23.01.2011, 13:49
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Re: Don't like to gripe, but...

I was happily oblivious to this illogical law, and in many thousands of kliks in CH, DE and FR**, had never seen any evidence of any one else adhering to this, over and above the normal hesitant impatience shown by some who believe that after the passing of a few seconds (and a few cars), they need wait no longer, before pulling out into your path.

Now I'm aware of this law, I will be driving much more cautiously and hesitantly when approaching a side junction, with my foot hovering over the brake pedal, which could increase the likelihood of an accident more than if I drove "normally". This is a real illustration of, previously, ignorance is bliss.

**only ever seen in France "give way to the right" on roundabouts; i.e. those already on the roundabout have to yield to those wishing to enter - but I think this has now been changed due to the introduction of smaller and mini- roundabouts. Although I'll bet the situation on l'Etoile (Arc de Triomphe) in Paris hasn't.

But legal priorities are irrelevant when faced with the following:

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Old 23.01.2011, 14:00
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What about someone riding a moped with it strapped to his back? (this is usually the case around here)

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I have thought about this & I think the answer is all about "how well is it strapped on" - anything which inhibits a "fast draw" loses priority status.

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actually, the answer is as follows:
if the moped rider is smoking and the cigarette hangs to the left or the moped rider is on the phone, give way.

Why?

Because they're likely to be left-handed and can therefore shoot without losing their momentum....
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Old 23.01.2011, 19:46
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Those on the main road are cruising at 50 and those coming out of the side road are obviously slowing down to a stop so they can see what's going on on the main road.
wrong. since i have right of way, i don't bother looking and drive at normal speed assuming whoever is on the main road will see me and give me priority so i don't need to look, slow down or stop when pulling out onto a main road from a small road.
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