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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

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Old 29.01.2011, 16:27
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I feel we all have a very decent life here in CH, and all we have to do is be happy with it! It's hard to imagine a better place to settle and feel at home, happy about your situation. Where could it be more comfortable? Or it's a point of view and what I see as being perfect is hell for other people...
I really depends on what defenition of "decent life" is for folks...For some it is financial security, for others it is safety, for some it is living in a real world, with it's inspirations, stimuli and risks. I think if comfort was my primary worry I would have been super duper happy, this society caters to comfort seekers, who don't like to ask many questions. On one hand life is great, although we could do without the cash worries, fo sho, on the other it is quite the same, relatively unspiring steady pace, uber controlled environment. Sports, some elegant talks about something not too deep every now and then, beautiful views. I am glad I found a very challenging job that actually is useful both for kids I work with and me, it shows me that not all is so uncomplicated here, not everyone has a straight shot career life, for some it can be very difficult to find their own feet to stand on... So, when people harp, it is good to realize we all expect different things from life.
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I really depends on what defenition of "decent life" is for folks...For some it is financial security, for others it is safety, for some it is living in a real world, with it's inspirations, stimuli and risks.
Strangely, I find much more inspiration, stimuli and risks here than I ever found living in the US!

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Meet Tom from rhode island.
Connecticut, actually!

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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

Just a point that loosing a partner is one of the hardest things that can happen to a person. Your friend most probably needs some support and understanding.
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Old 29.01.2011, 17:33
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Strangely, I find much more inspiration, stimuli and risks here than I ever found living in the US!

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Absolutely, I can see that too. Some do, some don't. I think FLA, IL, NY and Canada were actually a lot more inspiring and stimulating, the environment I was in, but long term living could be a major hustle. It does also depend on what one sees as inspiring, stimulating and what is risky. It's nothing to do with locals vs newcomers, me thinks. I am tired of relativizing, and reading silly recipes for a happy life when one would hope that what makes people happy is pretty...hard to define and certainly not the same for everyone. Some people do have a pretty rough life in this country, too.
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Absolutely, I can see that too. Some do, some don't. I think FLA, IL, NY and Canada were actually a lot more inspiring and stimulating, the environment I was in, but long term living could be a major hustle. It does also depend on what one sees as inspiring, stimulating and what is risky. It's nothing to do with locals vs newcomers, me thinks. I am tired of relativizing, and reading silly recipes for a happy life when one would hope that what makes people happy is pretty...hard to define and certainly not the same for everyone. Some people do have a pretty rough life in this country, too.
I am curious who you have in mind? Which people have it rough here? Apart from those in the minaret industry.
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Old 30.01.2011, 00:09
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I am curious who you have in mind? Which people have it rough here? Apart from those in the minaret industry.
Poverty in Switzerland.

Joking about these things does not really amuse me. I wonder how much you really know about these things. We don't really, it's easy not to know. Teaching disadvantaged kids is a fantastic and hard job, but I don't really see the humor in their situation, though we giggle together a lot.
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Poverty in Switzerland.

Joking about these things does not really amuse me. I wonder how much you really know about these things. We don't really, it's easy not to know. Teaching disadvantaged kids is a fantastic and hard job, but I don't really see the humor in their situation, though we giggle together a lot.
You're the one joking, apparently, with that link. You stated many people have it pretty rough here, and then show a link to some silly nonsense about the "poverty." Oh noes, 6.8% of families don't earn half the median income of probably the highest median income country in the world.

Damn, they have it so rough. When I was in Bangkok the height of despair i saw were the cambodian refugees lying in in the street begging using the only limb they had left to hold the cup. The height of despair in Zurich I see are the illegal tamils who have been living on swiss welfare for 10-15 years, who drink beer and eat curry all day in their rather large apartments. I didn't read about this either. Sometimes I pop in for some beer and curry. Rough stuff. I really don't know how they make it through the day.

I would say over 80% of the planet would love to be an impoverished Swiss. Silly girl.
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Er, yeah, Daboy.

Come back to us when you've been here for more than a fortnight, ok?
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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

Just as on the other active thread at the moment about the 100CHF note....I would like to hear of what people's definitions are of rich and poor here in Switzerland.

....and hence - What is your definition of Rich and Poor in Switzerland?

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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

Everything is relative, isn't it?
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When I was a kid we had enough to eat (grandfather had an allottment and grew all the vegetables and an aunt had a farm which gave us a chicken for Christmas dinner...), no car, no bike, 'new clothes' were hand-me-downs or made out of other clothes, we had one radio, 'holidays' - in ten years we went twice to stay with relatives (no running water, no electricity in their house!!), ... but we were not poor because practically everyone we knew was pretty well in the same boat.

A similar situation today would mean, among other things, simply that the children couldn't do many of the things that their friends do - it's not real poverty, but it hurts.
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Come back to us when you've been here for more than a fortnight, ok?
I've been here for five weeks. Is that more than a fortnight?
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I've been here for five weeks. Is that more than a fortnight?
Slightly.

It hardly gives you the authority to discuss poverty in Switzerland without sounding like a pillock, though.

Give it a couple of years. Leave Zurich occasionally. See a bit of the country. Then come back and tell us what you think.

Mind, I'd still find it hard to be lectured about poverty by someone who can afford to go to Thailand for his holidays.
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When I was a kid we had enough to eat (grandfather had an allottment and grew all the vegetables and an aunt had a farm which gave us a chicken for Christmas dinner...), no car, no bike, 'new clothes' were hand-me-downs or made out of other clothes, we had one radio, 'holidays' - in ten years we went twice to stay with relatives (no running water, no electricity in their house!!), ... but we were not poor because practically everyone we knew was pretty well in the same boat.

A similar situation today would mean, among other things, simply that the children couldn't do many of the things that their friends do - it's not real poverty, but it hurts.
So not having everything most swiss people have is what music meant by many here having a "pretty rough life?" Sounds like those kids just need to stop whining and be grateful that they are at least guaranteed the real necessities. Yeah it's all relative. Brilliant point. It's so rough looking at all the astin martins, rolls royces, and ferraris driving around zurich, as we ride around in the trams or in some golf or equivalent. UNICEF please do something.
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It hardly gives you the authority to discuss poverty in Switzerland without sounding like a pillock, though.

Give it a couple of years. Leave Zurich occasionally. See a bit of the country. Then come back and tell us what you think.

Mind, I'd still find it hard to be lectured about poverty by someone who can afford to go to Thailand for his holidays.
So being impoverished doesn't give me any authority on the subject of being impoverished? I guess if i understood that I would understand your faith.

But teaching impoverished children does? Or reading a link on EF?
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So being impoverished doesn't give me any authority on the subject of being impoverished?

You're not impoverished. You have said so yourself.

Think of all those poor people you looked at on your holiday in Thailand...
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So not having everything most swiss people have is what music meant by many here having a "pretty rough life?" Sounds like those kids just need to stop whining and be grateful that they are at least guaranteed the real necessities. Yeah it's all relative. Brilliant point. It's so rough looking at all the astin martins, rolls royces, and ferraris driving around zurich, as we ride around in the trams or in some golf or equivalent. UNICEF please do something.
Wow, you are thick!

The cars you see are not what the poor drive. You know why? Because they don't have cars to show you! When I see a mother pushing a stroller made in the 70ies and the kids having clothes being so old that you can see throw, I'll guess she isn't rolling in a Jag.

What is poor here? It is someone who can't afford basic things available here. We are not comparing someone poor from here to someone poor in Haiti. That wouldn't be logical and certainly not accurate.
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