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Old 30.01.2011, 21:21
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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

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Sorry, I forgot the quotation marks.

Anyway my point was limited to music's comment that many people have it pretty rough here, which isn't what the thread was about, except in some highly speculative psychological sense: people can't be happy here because it's rough not having what a lot of other people have?
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:00
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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

We are strange beasts. Without a fight we bemoan the smallest of things but having to fight for those smallest of things we are happy.

It is not the having, it is the getting.

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Old 30.01.2011, 22:10
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It is not the having, it is the getting.
It is something that we share with all mammals. More pleasure chemicals are released during seeking behaviour in mammals than are released for the reward of obtaining.
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:12
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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

Sometimes I find out that opening the window in a stuffy room not only changes the air freshness inside but it also refreshes the brain cells which are responsible for passing the signals to our mood behaviours.

Regular walks outside on the fresh air or random trips to the Alps can restore the balance. Even the hardcore moaners can get satiated. Appreciate what you have full stop
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:51
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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

This got me thinking, though.

Some places I have seen, with fabulous houses people couldn't afford to pay the morgage but still held onto, no savings, debts for schools, money strategies of a teen that looks no further than 3wks ahead, no future plans, retirement with a big question mark...I think that is poverty, no matter of the brand name clothes, hot cars, mutilple tvs and giant porches.

And then you have I guess the smart investments one often does not see. Investing in your kids, putting cash away for retirement, long term projects, having smart strategies, investing in education, etc. wouldn't really translate into poverty, eventhough the quality of things people use everyday would be laughable compared to here. No brand names, no big houses, no cars, old chipped furniture, you don't eat out, mend your own socks. But careers, retirement taken care of, kids have a place to live on their own, their schooling has been covered. That's not poverty in my eyes even though it looks like it, at times. The material things are shabby but life makes sense...

Sometimes the people who look poor are rich and those who try hard to make the impression of being rich are actually poor no matter how much cash they throw away.
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:52
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It is something that we share with all mammals. More pleasure chemicals are released during seeking behaviour in mammals than are released for the reward of obtaining.
Does the same theory apply to stocking up on yarn...?
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Old 30.01.2011, 23:18
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Does the same theory apply to stocking up on yarn...?
Yes, I think it would actually.

From your post above, that is the debate about sustainability vs. consumerism.
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I've read most of the thread, and most importantly what the OP had to say. I commented early in the thread so there is reason to believe I've seen at least that much. It's a complaint about people who have "decent lives" and "good jobs" who nonetheless complain about it all.

Music's point about some people having it pretty rough isn't on topic, i think, because those people probably aren't the ones the OP was talking about, otherwise he presumably would have called it, "why can't people who have it pretty rough just be happy with their life in ch," or something. And then my point was simply that nobody really has it rough here compared to most of the rest of the world, even if by some stupid UNICEF standard they are "impoverished" - stupid, inter alia, because it uses a fraction of median income, which in ch is abnormally high, and any shortfall in basic subsistence is taken care of by the public, by law.

I'm not saying these people have a lot to be happy about, but i also wouldn't call their lives "rough," just because they are a lot worse off relative to most of the country.
I think (eventually) you'll get it.

Recently, because of adverse events, I realised what I had. My partner, children, friends, family... ..a lot. Happiness. OK, the car is falling apart, we need a new one. A struggle to pay all the bills, but they are paid. And that's it.

It wasn't really a major complaint actually (though I did think it should go in complaints corner as it really annoyed me), I really appreciate that not one person assumed I was bashing the Swiss. I've been here now a long time & if there is just one thing I still don't understand is that the natives, rich or poor, just won't allow themselves a small degree of contentment, a bout of fleeting happiness with what they do have.

I am allowed (I have the right) to criticize them for that because I pay my dues, maybe I shouldn't have used examples in the first post but (like I said to my friend), see it from my point of view & you really shouldn't dwell on what you don't have anymore.
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Old 31.01.2011, 09:52
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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

Altogether now:

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They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
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Old 31.01.2011, 10:21
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This got me thinking, though.

Some places I have seen, with fabulous houses people couldn't afford to pay the morgage but still held onto, no savings, debts for schools, money strategies of a teen that looks no further than 3wks ahead, no future plans, retirement with a big question mark...I think that is poverty, no matter of the brand name clothes, hot cars, mutilple tvs and giant porches.

And then you have I guess the smart investments one often does not see. Investing in your kids, putting cash away for retirement, long term projects, having smart strategies, investing in education, etc. wouldn't really translate into poverty, eventhough the quality of things people use everyday would be laughable compared to here. No brand names, no big houses, no cars, old chipped furniture, you don't eat out, mend your own socks. But careers, retirement taken care of, kids have a place to live on their own, their schooling has been covered. That's not poverty in my eyes even though it looks like it, at times. The material things are shabby but life makes sense...

Sometimes the people who look poor are rich and those who try hard to make the impression of being rich are actually poor no matter how much cash they throw away.
Excellent said, MusicChick..couldn't agree more. I was brought up with the same life philosophy.
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Old 31.01.2011, 11:40
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Excellent said, MusicChick..couldn't agree more. I was brought up with the same life philosophy.
I agree, and in general I also embrace philosphy and come from school of investing in non-tangible things like your family's education, retirement, future investments and other broad plans for prospective future. However sometimes, we need to spoil ourselves with bling-bling stuff so that we have some joy and happiness in moments of hesitation and that we do not forget that our investments are so far way from us.

I have spoken to few expat friends and they would commonly agree with me that we need sometimes these material things that we desire so much to keep us going in times of depressions.
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I agree, and in general I also embrace philosphy and come from school of investing in non-tangible things like your family's education, retirement, future investments and other broad plans for prospective future. However sometimes, we need to spoil ourselves with bling-bling stuff so that we have some joy and happiness in moments of hesitation and that we do not forget that our investments are so far way from us.

I have spoken to few expat friends and they would commonly agree with me that we need sometimes these material things that we desire so much to keep us going in times of depressions.
I agree, though it is not just bling-type accesories that maketh me happy, I struggle to find happiness in playing a cheap guitar, for example. And saving up for something like that whilst being thrifty generally & not having it immediately on credit makes it even more enjoyable when it comes into one's possession (I remember my first Ibanez).
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Old 31.01.2011, 12:03
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I agree, though it is not just bling-type accesories that maketh me happy, I struggle to find happiness in playing a cheap guitar, for example.
It could be anything not necessarily of high value to others but something that mean a lot to us.

However often time the people would say that e.g. my friend must have been crazy to get a horse in stable which maintenance costs a fortune. You buy yourself that car that might pay off half of the house mortgage elsewhere or get Eric Clapton's original guitar. I say go for it if it makes you happy because life is to short to abstain endlessly!!!
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I agree, and in general I also embrace philosphy and come from school of investing in non-tangible things like your family's education, retirement, future investments and other broad plans for prospective future. However sometimes, we need to spoil ourselves with bling-bling stuff so that we have some joy and happiness in moments of hesitation and that we do not forget that our investments are so far way from us.

I have spoken to few expat friends and they would commonly agree with me that we need sometimes these material things that we desire so much to keep us going in times of depressions.
Absolutely, it's also part of the "savoir-vivre"...
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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

Some of us can't get good jobs here.
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Some of us can't get good jobs here.
I guess that's the backbone of the whole thread, how you define/redefine what is a "good job" is.
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Re: Why can't people just be happy with a good job & a decent life here?

Well, I think facebook should be renamed to narcissistbook, but that doesn't really roll off the tongue does it?

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I don't have a problem with people having a good old whinge/vent when they need it, but some people are chronic. I agree that this is something intolerable. To give you an example, someone on facebook who has a decent enough job, always telling me about how many friends she has... here's a selection of her statuses:
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Some of us can't get good jobs here.
I don't have a good job either (I'm self-employed) & I am not sure (as I've decided to get a normal job) how long it is gong to take so I sympathise & more to the point of this thread then.
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Outer wealth does not = inner happiness. I've heard it said that in Switzerland there is one of the highest levels of 'mental poverty, mental suffering' But it's not only Switzerland, it seems to be prevalent everywhere....



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