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Old 28.01.2011, 21:29
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Status + Reputation = Honour?

There has been other threads (now closed) about transactions with EFers that have not been fully completed to the determent/loss of another.

I sent some items out to a Forum Legend and member with reptuation beyond repute before Christmas with the promise of money being transferred to my account straight away. Several emails later and promises of payment still has me out of pocket.

I know I shouldn't of sent out the items before payment was received BUT I assumed (incorrectly & foolishly) that because it was a Forum Legend they were trustworthy, others of similar status have been.

I'm at a loss as to what else I can do except air my disbelief. Obviously status and reputation doesn't equate to honouring ones promises. Is naming and shaming allowed?
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Old 28.01.2011, 21:52
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

Initially, I would send a PM to a moderator for advice. Depending on their answer, it may be appropriate to 'name and shame'.

Before you do make any comments about an individual, remember that the internet is covered by the laws of libel.
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Initially, I would send a PM to a moderator for advice. Depending on their answer, it may be appropriate to 'name and shame'.

Before you do make any comments about an individual, remember that the internet is covered by the laws of libel.
I don't want to go down that line, I'm just frustrated that promises haven't been kept. Guess that will teach me not to be so trusting
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Old 28.01.2011, 21:57
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

Hopefully they will read this thread and feel so guilty that the payment will come your way...
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

Being a Forum Legend just means that a user has posted a lot (probably quite a lot of drivel) - there are forty on the EF, which seems about right for a five year old forum.

Reputation, moreover, is also pretty closely correlated to the quantity of posts a user has made, rather than having much to do with the quality of those posts.

I think you ought to name and shame, mainly so that people don't think it's me...

Go on... give us a clue!
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Old 28.01.2011, 22:10
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I think you ought to name and shame, mainly so that people don't think it's me...

Go on... give us a clue!
Dougal, you are a true English gentleman! I can say with hand on my heart it definitely wasn't you.
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Old 28.01.2011, 22:17
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

Maybe at least to warn others not to deal with them, you don't know if theyv done it before/will do it again now that they know they can.
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Old 28.01.2011, 22:22
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

If it was me, I would give the culprit 1 week to cough up, and then name and shame.

Depending on the value, I would consider a Betreibung. The costs of a Betreibung are rather low, and may create enough stress, that he just pays to get out of it.

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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

And obviously you must know where they live if you sent them the stuff?
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

I already replied, the coke was shite and the shrooms too wet. I am not paying you. Never.
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Old 28.01.2011, 22:40
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

Status and reputation is just piece of crap. Nothing to indicate that someone is a good person but more of a big mouth!

I am very sorry for you!

I got an experience last week of buying something and when it arrived, it wasn't working, and the girl send me back the money right away even after I told her to not bother (one item was for 5 chf, one for free plus the shipping it was 15 chf in total) And I told her the free article was very well worthed for the rest of the money, but she still send the whole amount back to me!

Respect to that person if she reads this!
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Old 28.01.2011, 23:09
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Respect to that person if she reads this!
Every one jumps to name and shame
How about this you name and fame?
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Every one jumps to name and shame
How about this you name and fame?
I wish... but I don't remember her nickname here since we were in contact by email.
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

Start a new thread "To the Forum Legend that recently purchased (insert item name) from me. Pay up".

Hopefully the "Leg end" will come online and read it if we keep the thread alive long enough.

The Mod's should be able to put a warning against members names that have not paid for items etc.
Or have a feedback system like Ebay.


Did the person ever comment on the for sale thread or send you a first pm before going to emails? Or if you still have the full name of the person or even the e-mail address, maybe a mod can match it to the member?
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

Generally, we had a pretty good experience with EF transactions with one exception...
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

The name didn't give it away?
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There has been other threads (now closed) about transactions with EFers that have not been fully completed to the determent/loss of another.

I sent some items out to a Forum Legend and member with reptuation beyond repute before Christmas with the promise of money being transferred to my account straight away. Several emails later and promises of payment still has me out of pocket.

I know I shouldn't of sent out the items before payment was received BUT I assumed (incorrectly & foolishly) that because it was a Forum Legend they were trustworthy, others of similar status have been.

I'm at a loss as to what else I can do except air my disbelief. Obviously status and reputation doesn't equate to honouring ones promises. Is naming and shaming allowed?

Last edited by Longbyt; 29.01.2011 at 10:38. Reason: When you edited your post, you gave the computer a heart attack. Quote corrected.
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

What Dougal said, just about covers it - you make more posts, you get more rep. It has nothing to do with the honour of the person (as you know wrt that other guy(!)) More about them having too much time to spend on the net, and not enough kids to keep them busy


You know where the person lives, right?
We can get the boys onto them!
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

Just start a thread:

Dear so n' so,
Please advise if you have received the coffee machine, toaster, skis, grandma's fruitcake etc.
If so, when will you be able to pay for your purchase ? Should you have difficulty in doing so, perhaps you'd like to pay by installments.
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Re: Status + Reputation = Honour?

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Being a Forum Legend just means that a user has posted a lot (probably quite a lot of drivel) - there are forty on the EF, which seems about right for a five year old forum.

Reputation, moreover, is also pretty closely correlated to the quantity of posts a user has made, rather than having much to do with the quality of those posts.

I think you ought to name and shame, mainly so that people don't think it's me...

Go on... give us a clue!
With a little educated guessing I could probably eliminate around half of the forty quite easily.

Hopefully, the 'culprit' has been reading this thread and resolves the situation quickly. There may be a good explanation for the non-payment that none of us are aware of e.g. Illness, broken computer, holiday, working away, problems with the transaction etc.
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There has been other threads (now closed) about transactions with EFers that have not been fully completed to the determent/loss of another.

I sent some items out to a Forum Legend and member with reptuation beyond repute before Christmas with the promise of money being transferred to my account straight away. Several emails later and promises of payment still has me out of pocket.

I know I shouldn't of sent out the items before payment was received BUT I assumed (incorrectly & foolishly) that because it was a Forum Legend they were trustworthy, others of similar status have been.

I'm at a loss as to what else I can do except air my disbelief. Obviously status and reputation doesn't equate to honouring ones promises. Is naming and shaming allowed?
It saddens me to read this. I have sent out items to forum members, I think some were newbies, and I sent some items without payment in advance, and I have always been paid. Status means nothing to me. I trusted people to pay. Why shouldn't I? I think some of the recipients were surprised that I would take the risk of sending something without payment. I have never been let down, not once. I am sorry you have not been paid, but the person's status is irrelevant.

Are you forgetting that you have a paper trail, a name and address? Transactions between members are private dealings and unfortunately there is nothing a moderator can do. I think you can name and shame here as long as you publish all the PMs (leaving out the name and address) and prove that there was a transaction. I would do it. I can't see why you would get banned. If you have tried everything else, without success, go for it.

In the real world, what you can do, is send a registered letter with a copy of the post office receipt and the correspondence regarding the transaction. Give them 7 days to pay up or else you will take further measures. It will cost you but you will get that back plus what they owe you. The debtor will have this on their credit history and that is going to make their life a misery.

I have bought and sold items here and I have not had one bad experience. I have met some of the nicest people.

Out of curiousity, how much money are we talking about?

Edit: It wasn't me.
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