Yes, Smoky, that's a very sound answer for why we should re-introduce smoking on trains.

I'm sorry but if you don't think people still stink when they cover themselves with "Eau d'Ashtray" as well as body odour then you're seriously deluded.

How about travelling first class so you don't have to mix with the smelly proletariat?

Society has deemed that smoking inside in public to be unacceptable. That's it - end of story. Posters can bitch and moan all they like about it - but when it comes to smoking the ban will not be reversed and there will not be a return to the "good old days".

It'll be suggested next that Thalidomide should be given to alleviate morning sickness.

I went to an amateur athletics competition the other day to watch my son compete and thing most strange about the whole day was that the place did not reek of cigarettes. One could watch from the stands without a constant faceful of smoke one else's smoke, one could have a coffee in the outside cafe, without the same.
It was incredibly pleasant and did not feel like Switzerland at all.

Apparently the whole place, inside and outside was non-smoking.

It made me realise how backward both the smoking laws and the smokers are here.
They keep banging on about freedoms and rights but surely that applies to non-smokers too.

I'll welcome the day they ban smoking from train platforms.

Can I stand upwind?

I've never really moaned about it, I and all other smokers have accepted it since the law was passed.

I do moan, however, about the people who even get a whiff of a cigarette and have hissy fits. What did they do when we were allowed to smoke in restaurants? Perhaps they didn't live here then.

We went to restaurants with fresh air. Seriously, if a restaurant was smelly, we avoided it.

Smug ex smokers are the worst: if I can give up smoking after 30 years of smoking 30+ per day, why can't you?

Because many CHOOSE not to give it up.

Tom

Perhaps they just didn't go because the smoke made it an unpleasant experience?

Of course that's what they say.

How many alcoholics do you know?

Have you ever, ever heard anyone say they're an alcoholic?

*unless you attend those AA meetings

Yes I agree with the whole issue however I just moved from Vaud to Schwyz and guess what.... they even smoke in the restaurants here...
Great

"society has deemed" listen to this guy talking like he 's got a clue.
I dont smoke but I can tell you for a fact that society has not deemed smoking in public unacceptable.
Society has deemed smoking, alcohol, drugs and rock'n roll acceptable however the administrators of society have deemed that smoking is now costing society more than the taxes it brings. Administrators dont care about anything else other than resource management.

What a load of bull.

Society has changed, you may have missed the memo, but smoking is no longer viewed in the same light as 50-70 years ago. The movie hero no longer smokes - even James Bond has quit the "evil" weed. PR companies go to extraordinary lengths to cover up their clients smoking. (Not that it ever stops teenagers thinking it is "cool")

In Switzerland Society did decide thanks to the referendum that was passed.

Society turning a blind eye does not make it acceptable.

Example:
Noticing your neighbour growing a bit of weed and picking up on that "aromatic" smoke is different to someone doing a bong at the tram-stop in the morning.

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So I know bigfujitsu you like trolling from previous posts and your reputation, this post is more for those in the forum who actually contribute.

No he's talking like he has an opinion, as do you on the opposite side but less politely.

If it's a fact, provide evidence.

To help you - you could quote the failed 2012 referendum on a ban.

But then again there wasn't a referendum to repeal the 2008 law, and the law was set by the democratically elected parliament, so overall the evidence appears unclear.

Evidence?

This has always been the case - in 1995 for example the estimated health cost was about 10 billion.

http://www.migration-population.ch/f...C-abstract.pdf

If you follow through the federal budget here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...of_Switzerland

Tobacco income in 2010 was 7% of the federal budget, or 4.3 billion. It's a very safe assumption that the 1995 health cost number would have been much higher (via inflation) in 2010, and vice versa for the 2010 tax number, so at least for the period 1995 to 2010 tobacco brought in less tax than it cost society.

You are entitled to your opinion. Personally I have dealt with many "administrators" in political and non-political areas who were passionate believers in helping people and society.

Ex smokers are the worst. Or even worse are the ones who "are giving up" but still nick your cigs when they get the urge!!

These threads just amuse me, which is why i jump in every time.

To be honest, i shall go on smoking as long as i enjoy it. And shall still respect non smokers and their odd foibles.

If you think its just the people at the station who smoke a lot ...

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you will not find a "cool" teen that does not think smoking is cool! clearly you were never cool.

this image reminded me of a news story that I read about where swiss people were complaining that the firefighter academy makes too much smoke when they conduct their annual qualification training.

And probably go on smoking when you don't enjoy it any more too....

you should walk around Zurich and through Zurich HB on a Friday and Saturday night. AND thats only the tip of the iceberg, because the big stuff is indoors.

None of the teens around here ( including my 15 year old son) think that smoking us cool. Obviously by your reckoning they must not be 'cool' either.