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MusicChick 31.01.2011 17:47

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1087572)
And I don't see what the problem is with smoke.

Tom

It's the same as with smoking, we don't know what the predispositions are to take in all the environmental triggers. Some people smoke heavily and are ok, some don't smoke at all, but die of 2ndhand smoke. While being exposed in public places is mainly a nuisance, being exposed routinely (work, home, etc...) can be a big trouble.

mirfield 31.01.2011 17:49

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1087572)
And I don't see what the problem is with smoke.

That's 'cos you're not sensitive to smoke. Neither am I - my parents smoked and I spent most of my formative years in the pub.

But some people are. And they're in significant enough numbers that they should be considered.

Soixante_neuf 31.01.2011 17:50

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Originally Posted by memonge (Post 1087437)
This also proves my point that smokers are dumber then the general population

Come on then, i'll bite...enlighten me, why is saying that a plaform (open to the air) is a slice of the outdoors, dumb?

http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df2/df11102008b.jpg

MusicChick 31.01.2011 17:53

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Originally Posted by Soixante_neuf (Post 1087588)
Come on then, i'll bite...enlighten me, why is saying that a plaform (open to the air) is a slice of the outdoors, dumb?

I think, since it is open air, isn't a few meters next to the train station also open air where one can smoke his clop, undisturbed and not bugging people who aren't in the least willing to inhale his exhaust stuff?

jsherk 31.01.2011 17:54

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I have yet to meet a considerate smoker in this country. They will stand just outside the doors of a store or inside the shelter at the bus stop (rain or shine) blocking your way and/or forcing you to breath their smoke. I'm sorry, but if you think you should have the right to light up on a rainy day under the shelter when others are around, you are a jerk.

They light up just off the train not giving a crap that the other 200 people behind them have to breath their filth as all walk down the ramp/strairs at the stations. They will walk right up to a lady with her child in a buggy and hold their cigarette at their side, oblivious to the fact that the smoke is trailing into the buggy and give the parent crap when asked to move. They flick their butts on the ground or the tracks even when there is an ashtray right next to them. Before it was banned in restaurants, they would light up the minute they finished their meals, not caring that others at the table were still eating. In fact, as far as I can tell, they are some of the most inconsiderate people around.

Soixante_neuf 31.01.2011 17:56

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087592)
I think, since it is open air

So it is open air then? I don't think i said anything else...

MusicChick 31.01.2011 17:59

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I find the funniest when there is the official "clop" break and one has to wait for the shop wench who closed the shop but stands right by the front door having her clop. It would be much easier to do in at the back yard, or sumfin.

I think people don't nag enough about smoking, the bosses don't mind kid toy+clothes stores clersk and day care employees and teachers smoke right in front of the business premises entrance doors, it's just bizarro.

colinwheeler 31.01.2011 17:59

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Originally Posted by jsherk (Post 1087595)
I have yet to meet a considerate smoker in this country.

Well, if you come down to Baden and walk around with me I am sure you would withdraw that quite sweeping generalisation, or perhaps you just did not notice the considerate smokers because they were not irritating you?

colinwheeler 31.01.2011 18:02

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087592)
I think, since it is open air, isn't a few meters next to the train station also open air where one can smoke his clop, undisturbed and not bugging people who aren't in the least willing to inhale his exhaust stuff?

Are you saying that somebody down in sector 3 on platform 1 that was having a smoke would bother you if you were where the camera person is?

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:03

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Originally Posted by Soixante_neuf (Post 1087601)
So it is open air then? I don't think i said anything else...

Of course it is, as is a few meters away. But still, people prefer their own comfort and light up on the platform to discomfort others. Others don't have choice, the ones who light up do, they can walk away a few meters off the platform and light up right next to it, right? I think as per summerrain's suggestion, if we heard into the little designated area, somewhat "shame corner" and let the smokers annoy one another with one another's smoke, they might want to avoid smoking at places where people are pushed to gather.

smoky 31.01.2011 18:07

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Originally Posted by Chemmie (Post 1087570)
I'm barely used to people crowding personal space as it is, but when I find a nice secluded area to smoke, it irritates that some one always follows.

Exactly! I was quite amused at a stranger who came wheeling her baby in his pushchair right up to me, to begin a "friendly" chat, while I was smoking, outdoors, and then said to me "Please put out that cigarette, the smoke is blowing over my baby". WTF?!

I find most non-smokers to be most inconsiderate.

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:08

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Originally Posted by colinwheeler (Post 1087609)
Are you saying that somebody down in sector 3 on platform 1 that was having a smoke would bother you if you were where the camera person is?

I was going to say no, since it's not somebody who politely (and of course there are polite smokers, sure) walks away from people so they cannot smell it, that bothers me. It's the people who stand right by you, light up and insist on their rights. If you just leave it up to common sense of people, you end up with those "it's my right to light up anywhere" next to you who just feel there is nothing wrong with smoking next to people.

31.01.2011 18:08

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Originally Posted by summerrain (Post 1087482)
Back home, smoking is banned at bus stops, stadiums, restaurants - the lot. It has got to be one of the strictest non-smoking laws in the world - you cant even smoke within a 5m radius of any office building.

I don't know if you mean India, but that is how it has been in India for quite some years. When the law came, it really didn't create much furore like you hear here. India has a lot of smokers, much higher incidence of smoking related cancer due to other aggravating factors, but what I find starkly contrasting with CH is the lack of consideration here.

When my son came here for the first time, he was shocked by the amount of cigarette stubs littering train lines and could not reconcile how a highly developed country with such a complex structure of rules, garbage disposal etc. could be so primitive when it comes to smoking practices.

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:11

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Originally Posted by smoky (Post 1087617)
I find most non-smokers to be most inconsiderate.

How are they poluting the air you breathe?

baboon 31.01.2011 18:12

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Originally Posted by zymogen (Post 1087501)
The majority of smokers are considerate people who don't want to be a nuisance to others

Sorry but no. The majority of smokers here don't ever think about the effect on other people, just their need to satisfy their addiction

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Originally Posted by mirfield (Post 1087586)
That's 'cos you're not sensitive to smoke. Neither am I - my parents smoked and I spent most of my formative years in the pub.

Friend of mine is a kean endurance sportsman - ski touring, mountain biking etc. and came from a background where both parents smoked in the house. He's been told by doctors he has the lungs of a 60-year-old. In his 40s.

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Originally Posted by jsherk (Post 1087595)
I have yet to meet a considerate smoker in this country. They will stand just outside the doors of a store or inside the shelter at the bus stop (rain or shine) blocking your way and/or forcing you to breath their smoke. I'm sorry, but if you think you should have the right to light up on a rainy day under the shelter when others are around, you are a jerk.

This. Smoking should be prohibited in any crowd situation. The one that really really bugs me is ski lift queues or on the lift itself. One big reason for going up there is the clean mountain air......

mirfield 31.01.2011 18:15

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Originally Posted by baboon (Post 1087625)
Friend of mine is a kean endurance sportsman - ski touring, mountain biking etc. and came from a background where both parents smoked in the house. He's been told by doctors he has the lungs of a 60-year-old. In his 40s.

I'm glad I never bothered with all that sporty stuff then.

jacek 31.01.2011 18:18

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In my bachalor years, when I was resident of student hostel, I used to go out with Tuks crowds to Hatfield Pretoria very often. Back then, it very much reminds me about Afrikaans ladies who 8 out of 10 would smoke in the pub, on the street and at the club. I used to take it for granted.

When I arrived in Switzerland some time ago, I also thought it was quite normal to see lots of people smoking all over the place. It is a standard I told myself. Not until I visited other coutries in the EU where sane legistlations banning the smoking in public places were already put in place for the reason. I do not understand why the first world country like Switzerland would be different. It is a small country with fabulous scenery and fresh air.

Sorry, I must have missed the previous discussions re smoking ban laws.

colinwheeler 31.01.2011 18:20

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087619)
It's the people who stand right by you, light up and insist on their rights.

Next time that happens, just look around for a reasonable smoker, go over to them and ask them to go over and give the inconsidderate prick a good kicking?:boxer:

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087623)
How are they poluting the air you breathe?

It is the constant abuse, social stigmatism, bigotry and really fair statements like the one from baboon below. Seriously in winds me up so much I am going to go and have a smoke.:p

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Originally Posted by baboon (Post 1087625)
Sorry but no. The majority of smokers here don't ever think about the effect on other people, just their need to satisfy their addiction

I believe that this statment puts you firmly into the same category as the pillock smokers that are also inconsidderate. I don't know how reasonable, moderate people actually survive on this planet.:msncrazy:

Mud 31.01.2011 18:21

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Originally Posted by baboon (Post 1087625)
The one that really really bugs me is ski lift queues or on the lift itself. One big reason for going up there is the clean mountain air......

I was up at a resort in Lucerne some years ago and while draining the lizard a 12-something boy walked in the bathroom, lit up a fag, and in my shock I mumbled (in poor German) "no smoking in the toilets boy!". We walked out at the same time and he said something to his father and I got the stink eye... I swear to God his dad was Geoff Capes

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/stefi1/geoff.jpg

and I boogied my a$$ away and quick!:eek:

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:26

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Originally Posted by colinwheeler (Post 1087634)
I don't know how reasonable, moderate people actually survive on this planet.:msncrazy:

Ok, I have had my share of smoking days, in fact it was the only way to be numb to smoke when gigging. I do understand people who are hooked, etc etc. But, honestly, what's reasonable about smoking? If you like it, you like it. We like some unreasonable things, right? But, I still don't think there is anything reasonable or moderate about addictions, cigs, smoking next to people, in public places.

colinwheeler 31.01.2011 18:35

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087639)
But, I still don't think there is anything reasonable or moderate about addictions, cigs, smoking next to people, in public places.

Don't have to be addicted to smoke cigarettes. Don't need to smoke cigarettes right next to people who don't smoke. That sounds like reasonable behaviour to me?

lost_inbroad 31.01.2011 18:35

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1087572)
And I don't see what the problem is with smoke.

Tom

..that's alright, you'll see what the problem is in a couple of years. ;)

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:45

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Originally Posted by colinwheeler (Post 1087655)
Don't have to be addicted to smoke cigarettes. Don't need to smoke cigarettes right next to people who don't smoke. That sounds like reasonable behaviour to me?

I wish I knew one smoker, who is not hooked on them cigarettes. Be it body or mind dependency.

But it seems to me, that it is the dependency that makes people forget that there are others around who might want to live without inhaling poluted air if they themselves chose not to smoke. I think it is unfair to push one's smoke on those.

colinwheeler 31.01.2011 18:59

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087671)
I wish I knew one smoker, who is not hooked on them cigarettes.

Both my cousin and flatmate have most probably one or two cigarettes a week or month, sometimes while out in the mountains, sometimes while out for a drink. They are both very considderate about where they smoke and niether are addicted.
Myself, I know I have an addiction but then I keep cutting down so I feel better about it (down to about 2 or 3 a day on most days now and want to make that leap to being able to go days without).

MusicChick 31.01.2011 19:03

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Originally Posted by colinwheeler (Post 1087692)
Both my cousin and flatmate have most probably one or two cigarettes a week or month, sometimes while out in the mountains, sometimes while out for a drink. They are both very considderate about where they smoke and niether are addicted.
Myself, I know I have an addiction but then I keep cutting down so I feel better about it (down to about 2 or 3 a day on most days now and want to make that leap to being able to go days without).

Hey, my hat down, for trying to quit. That's the most difficult phase, to have just a minimum, to get by, but enough to have a really bad conscience for not being able to quit cold turkey, but not enough to satisfy the cravings of a body who wants more.

We are not nagging about some ocassional smokers. Ocassional or not, the minute that person is actually being inconsiderate and poluting right next to somebody who wishes avoid the smell (makes me gag certain times of the day) it does not matter if it's a matter of habbit or just distraction, wanting to be cool, etc etc.

st2lemans 31.01.2011 19:06

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Originally Posted by lost_inbroad (Post 1087656)
you'll see what the problem is in a couple of years. ;)

How so?

Tom

st2lemans 31.01.2011 19:14

Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh
 
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Originally Posted by colinwheeler (Post 1087634)
It is the constant abuse, social stigmatism, bigotry and really fair statements like the one from baboon below. Seriously it winds me up so much I am going to go and have a smoke.:p

Yeah, if I didn't dislike cigarettes so much, I'd light one up as well! :D

I also can't see spend as much for a packet of cigarettes as a decent (but not great) cigar or bottle of wine, or a gallon of gas for the bikes! :eek:

Tom

31.01.2011 19:15

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crikey, I'm on the train and platforms a lot in my life and I have not noticed anything as bad as what the OP is suggesting.

As AbFab said earlier, rejoice that it's improved recently with the reduction of smoking areas.

btw the worst thing about train stations is being barricaded into the train by the ignorant zombies blocking the exit. But that's been done to death as well :)

FCBarca 31.01.2011 20:08

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It will only get better in Suisse wrt smoking in public areas, I am certain of that...Plus, it'll never be as bad as Spain where they are smoking underground all the time - rat in a cage

Nil 31.01.2011 20:12

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Originally Posted by FCBarca (Post 1087778)
It will only get better in Suisse wrt smoking in public areas, I am certain of that...Plus, it'll never be as bad as Spain where they are smoking underground all the time - rat in a cage

It is almost done there too, February the law comes in and everywhere in summer it should be ban.

FCBarca 31.01.2011 20:35

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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1087786)
It is almost done there too, February the law comes in and everywhere in summer it should be ban.

That's great to hear...Barcelona is one of my favorite places in Europe for visits and the smoking is a big negative for me

SA-V 31.01.2011 21:07

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Originally Posted by mirfield (Post 1087586)
That's 'cos you're not sensitive to smoke. Neither am I - my parents smoked and I spent most of my formative years in the pub.

But some people are. And they're in significant enough numbers that they should be considered.

I am more sensitive to the smell of those people who believe they don't have the need to use deodorant even though you can smell them from meters away... I'd rather inhale all the second hand smoke :msnsick:

adrianlondon 31.01.2011 22:13

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I think it's disgusting that people smoke outdoors, polluting the lovely fresh air.

They should be forced to smoke indoors. However, to ensure they stay alive those places will need to serve food and drink. I'd probably call them restaurants or bars or something similar.

St3jr 31.01.2011 23:36

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I think it's great. It's one of the few things that Europe does way better than the US. I love the attitude the people have when they do it. They just don't care. Love it.

jsherk 01.02.2011 00:29

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Originally Posted by colinwheeler (Post 1087607)
Well, if you come down to Baden and walk around with me I am sure you would withdraw that quite sweeping generalisation, or perhaps you just did not notice the considerate smokers because they were not irritating you?

You may be very considerate and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but sadly, not a single day has gone by in the three years that I have been here that I have not been offended by someone lighting up in a tunnel, stairway, ramp or just standing right at the entrance of office buildings, grocery stores, restaurant, etc., etc., etc. or feeling the need to invade my peace and private space by walking up next to me at the bus stop or train station and lighting up...unless of course, I have stayed in my flat all day. It's not an exageration and I think it is sad that I cannot go a day in the public without being assaulted by some smoker. Oh, and before someone jumps me for using the word assaulted, try blowing smoke into a police officer's face and see what happens.

The tens of thousands of cigarette butts on the streets, sidewalks, parking lots, park grounds, playgrounds and traintracks show that the few considerate smokers must be outnumbered 10000/1. Sorry if you don't like my opinion, but hey as the saying goes....opinions are like bumholes, everyone has one and most stink. :D

BTW, I feel it is in bad taste to groan persons expressing their heart felt opinions in the complaints corner. Bottom line is that I genuinely feel that most smokers in CH are inconsiderate. If you don't like it, do something constructive to help others change their opinions or, even better, get your fellow smokers to pay attention to the fact that smoking in crowded areas, directly in front of entrances/exits or practically on top of probable non-smokers is just plain INCONSIDERATE!

And Colin, I would be happy to come to Baden, walk around town have a beer and even hang out with you outside if the need to light one up occurred. Sadly, my fellow EF'r. my personal experience here is that you, your cousin and flatmate are the exception to the rule and one only needs to look down into the traintracks to see the proof.

I wish you the best of luck quitting and thank you for taking the time to quote rather than groan.

i-b-deborah 01.02.2011 09:35

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Normally not bothered, but I did get miffed at the old fool at the zoo yesterday, standing in the in front of the otters (which is technically not indoors, but it most definitely enclosed) smoking a pipe. Shortly there after, one of my charges started to upchuck. Just an unhappy coincidence? Anyway, he p1ssed me off. Rude b@stard!

mirfield 01.02.2011 09:50

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Originally Posted by SA-V (Post 1087836)
I am more sensitive to the smell of those people who believe they don't have the need to use deodorant even though you can smell them from meters away... I'd rather inhale all the second hand smoke :msnsick:

I'm not sure that anyone has ever died from second hand BO.

jacek 01.02.2011 09:50

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If smoking on platforms bothers you just use the car. If still not satisfied then hang some air freshner on the window and problem solved. If it still is not good enough - time to use deodorant, if that doesn't help either it is probably about the time to take a shower :D

lost_inbroad 01.02.2011 09:52

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Originally Posted by i-b-deborah (Post 1088104)
Normally not bothered, but I did get miffed at the old fool at the zoo yesterday, standing in the in front of the otters (which is technically not indoors, but it most definitely enclosed) smoking a pipe. Shortly after one of my charges started to upchuck. Just an unhappy coincidence? Anyway, he p1ssed me off. Rude b@stard!

I would like to apologize for that. I just bought my new pipe and wanted to try it out. :o

i-b-deborah 01.02.2011 10:03

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Yes I was surprised that you weren't from some former yugoslavian state, but there you go. Next time I shall be calling the National Guard! :msnmad:
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Originally Posted by lost_inbroad (Post 1088120)
I would like to apologize for that. I just bought my new pipe and wanted to try it out. :o



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