I was trying to have a laugh!!

I don't think you were. I think you have utter contempt for people who would rather sit in a smoke-free environment.

Unfortunately that makes you fit in rather well in Switzerland.

The big advantage of democracy is that the people decide.
The big disadvantage is that the people decide.

I don't see any evidence that the people here are not unbiased thinkers. Many votes have not gone the way the government wanted them to, so its certainly not a case of vote as we tell you and shut up. My Swiss friends discuss politics a lot and on an intelligent and analytical level and listen and analyze rather than just sticking to pre-conceived opinions. In the other countries I lived political discussions rarely got past the level of "this government sucks" or personality cults around their favourite hero (which is how phenomena such as Obama and Blair come to be). I actually find that one of the great refreshing things about Switzerland.

Maybe the people don't vote as you would want. But then maybe you need to differentiate between being ubiassed and not agreeing with you.

I don't see what not owning a home has to do with not being an independent thinker. Back in blighty we once had a law that only landowners and such people could vote. We introduced universal suffrage and generally we consider that a good thing. For some people not owning property is the smart thing. It can depend on circumstances. Are you sure you're not falling into the trap of thinking, "I'm smart and I own property therefore people who don't own property aren't smart?"

Yes, amogles, it's a "smart" thing not being able to pass something onto next generations so they can have a start on a different level...anyway, I guess it's a question of mentality so we don't need to agree with each other.

smoking in the underground station might seem as a huge violation and an assault on your health. But lets be realistic, there is also shit and piss all over the tracks which create all kind of gasses, toxins and particles which you intake into your body. Next time you see someone entering a toilet in the station you better take action!

Switzerland, where small things are a big deal!


Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars

Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car, or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.

A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation, entitled Livestock's Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world's 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...rs-427843.html

What does owning a house have to do with passing something on to the next generation?

And how does inheriting stuff when you are 60 or 70 allow one to start on a different level?

Tom

Vegetarians of the world also create their fair share of C02 just like cows. I do my best to rid the planet of cows by eating them when I get offered a nice slice.

Interesting, shame there isn't a link to the original report.

There are a couple of clangers - ammonia is a base, not an acid, and although cows may use a huge amount of water I've seen them piss and that is equally impressive at putting it back into the ground

Probably Swiss cows are a lot more environmentally friendly than most US ones.

Not since along time, all in sceptic tanks now !

Not to mention septic tanks.

Are those the same tanks loaded on to planes that spray Chemtrails?

Actually sceptic tanks was better - only 60% currently have tanks

http://www.sbb.ch/en/group/the-compa...en/wasser.html

Wouldn't they be brown in that case?

They're making the snow yellow.

Have you ever wondered where all that stuff goes when you flush the loo on a plane?

Actually the issue was owning a house (which you could obviously pass it on to your children/grandchildren) vs. renting all your life (being a tenant all your life, in other words). I'm personally not happy at all that each month those over 2000 chf representing rent just go out of the window..well they do go into some pockets heh (and please don't get me started on buying a house in CH)
Anyway we're off topic, back to those dirty smokers.

Well they don't really get out of the window. You get to live in an apartment in return for that money. In the same way that the money you spend on food, clothes and vacations isn't gone out of the window but you gained something in return. If you think you're spending too much on rent, look for a cheaper appartment. As I said previosuly, whether or not buying makes sense depends on the circumstances and it would be incorrect to claim that it is a good strategy in all circumstances or that those who don't do it aren't smart.

FAO: LIVESTOCK'S LONG SHADOW

Hahahaha you're hilarious I love it!

Can we get back to the topic of the thread ie smoking on platforms? Sorry but it makes me smile after a hard day

Can we now add "Smokers who light up as they are stepping off the train" and "Smokers who light and smoke as they walk through the station underpass"

My ex-MIL was a heavy smoker and I asked her why she never "smoked and walked" - she (Swiss - farmer's daughter) responded was "what poor people did".