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MusicChick 31.01.2011 17:47

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1087572)
And I don't see what the problem is with smoke.

Tom

It's the same as with smoking, we don't know what the predispositions are to take in all the environmental triggers. Some people smoke heavily and are ok, some don't smoke at all, but die of 2ndhand smoke. While being exposed in public places is mainly a nuisance, being exposed routinely (work, home, etc...) can be a big trouble.

mirfield 31.01.2011 17:49

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1087572)
And I don't see what the problem is with smoke.

That's 'cos you're not sensitive to smoke. Neither am I - my parents smoked and I spent most of my formative years in the pub.

But some people are. And they're in significant enough numbers that they should be considered.

Soixante_neuf 31.01.2011 17:50

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Originally Posted by memonge (Post 1087437)
This also proves my point that smokers are dumber then the general population

Come on then, i'll bite...enlighten me, why is saying that a plaform (open to the air) is a slice of the outdoors, dumb?

http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df2/df11102008b.jpg

MusicChick 31.01.2011 17:53

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Originally Posted by Soixante_neuf (Post 1087588)
Come on then, i'll bite...enlighten me, why is saying that a plaform (open to the air) is a slice of the outdoors, dumb?

I think, since it is open air, isn't a few meters next to the train station also open air where one can smoke his clop, undisturbed and not bugging people who aren't in the least willing to inhale his exhaust stuff?

jsherk 31.01.2011 17:54

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I have yet to meet a considerate smoker in this country. They will stand just outside the doors of a store or inside the shelter at the bus stop (rain or shine) blocking your way and/or forcing you to breath their smoke. I'm sorry, but if you think you should have the right to light up on a rainy day under the shelter when others are around, you are a jerk.

They light up just off the train not giving a crap that the other 200 people behind them have to breath their filth as all walk down the ramp/strairs at the stations. They will walk right up to a lady with her child in a buggy and hold their cigarette at their side, oblivious to the fact that the smoke is trailing into the buggy and give the parent crap when asked to move. They flick their butts on the ground or the tracks even when there is an ashtray right next to them. Before it was banned in restaurants, they would light up the minute they finished their meals, not caring that others at the table were still eating. In fact, as far as I can tell, they are some of the most inconsiderate people around.

Soixante_neuf 31.01.2011 17:56

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087592)
I think, since it is open air

So it is open air then? I don't think i said anything else...

MusicChick 31.01.2011 17:59

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I find the funniest when there is the official "clop" break and one has to wait for the shop wench who closed the shop but stands right by the front door having her clop. It would be much easier to do in at the back yard, or sumfin.

I think people don't nag enough about smoking, the bosses don't mind kid toy+clothes stores clersk and day care employees and teachers smoke right in front of the business premises entrance doors, it's just bizarro.

colinwheeler 31.01.2011 17:59

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Originally Posted by jsherk (Post 1087595)
I have yet to meet a considerate smoker in this country.

Well, if you come down to Baden and walk around with me I am sure you would withdraw that quite sweeping generalisation, or perhaps you just did not notice the considerate smokers because they were not irritating you?

colinwheeler 31.01.2011 18:02

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087592)
I think, since it is open air, isn't a few meters next to the train station also open air where one can smoke his clop, undisturbed and not bugging people who aren't in the least willing to inhale his exhaust stuff?

Are you saying that somebody down in sector 3 on platform 1 that was having a smoke would bother you if you were where the camera person is?

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:03

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Originally Posted by Soixante_neuf (Post 1087601)
So it is open air then? I don't think i said anything else...

Of course it is, as is a few meters away. But still, people prefer their own comfort and light up on the platform to discomfort others. Others don't have choice, the ones who light up do, they can walk away a few meters off the platform and light up right next to it, right? I think as per summerrain's suggestion, if we heard into the little designated area, somewhat "shame corner" and let the smokers annoy one another with one another's smoke, they might want to avoid smoking at places where people are pushed to gather.

smoky 31.01.2011 18:07

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Originally Posted by Chemmie (Post 1087570)
I'm barely used to people crowding personal space as it is, but when I find a nice secluded area to smoke, it irritates that some one always follows.

Exactly! I was quite amused at a stranger who came wheeling her baby in his pushchair right up to me, to begin a "friendly" chat, while I was smoking, outdoors, and then said to me "Please put out that cigarette, the smoke is blowing over my baby". WTF?!

I find most non-smokers to be most inconsiderate.

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:08

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Originally Posted by colinwheeler (Post 1087609)
Are you saying that somebody down in sector 3 on platform 1 that was having a smoke would bother you if you were where the camera person is?

I was going to say no, since it's not somebody who politely (and of course there are polite smokers, sure) walks away from people so they cannot smell it, that bothers me. It's the people who stand right by you, light up and insist on their rights. If you just leave it up to common sense of people, you end up with those "it's my right to light up anywhere" next to you who just feel there is nothing wrong with smoking next to people.

31.01.2011 18:08

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Originally Posted by summerrain (Post 1087482)
Back home, smoking is banned at bus stops, stadiums, restaurants - the lot. It has got to be one of the strictest non-smoking laws in the world - you cant even smoke within a 5m radius of any office building.

I don't know if you mean India, but that is how it has been in India for quite some years. When the law came, it really didn't create much furore like you hear here. India has a lot of smokers, much higher incidence of smoking related cancer due to other aggravating factors, but what I find starkly contrasting with CH is the lack of consideration here.

When my son came here for the first time, he was shocked by the amount of cigarette stubs littering train lines and could not reconcile how a highly developed country with such a complex structure of rules, garbage disposal etc. could be so primitive when it comes to smoking practices.

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:11

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Originally Posted by smoky (Post 1087617)
I find most non-smokers to be most inconsiderate.

How are they poluting the air you breathe?

baboon 31.01.2011 18:12

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Originally Posted by zymogen (Post 1087501)
The majority of smokers are considerate people who don't want to be a nuisance to others

Sorry but no. The majority of smokers here don't ever think about the effect on other people, just their need to satisfy their addiction

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Originally Posted by mirfield (Post 1087586)
That's 'cos you're not sensitive to smoke. Neither am I - my parents smoked and I spent most of my formative years in the pub.

Friend of mine is a kean endurance sportsman - ski touring, mountain biking etc. and came from a background where both parents smoked in the house. He's been told by doctors he has the lungs of a 60-year-old. In his 40s.

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Originally Posted by jsherk (Post 1087595)
I have yet to meet a considerate smoker in this country. They will stand just outside the doors of a store or inside the shelter at the bus stop (rain or shine) blocking your way and/or forcing you to breath their smoke. I'm sorry, but if you think you should have the right to light up on a rainy day under the shelter when others are around, you are a jerk.

This. Smoking should be prohibited in any crowd situation. The one that really really bugs me is ski lift queues or on the lift itself. One big reason for going up there is the clean mountain air......

mirfield 31.01.2011 18:15

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Originally Posted by baboon (Post 1087625)
Friend of mine is a kean endurance sportsman - ski touring, mountain biking etc. and came from a background where both parents smoked in the house. He's been told by doctors he has the lungs of a 60-year-old. In his 40s.

I'm glad I never bothered with all that sporty stuff then.

jacek 31.01.2011 18:18

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In my bachalor years, when I was resident of student hostel, I used to go out with Tuks crowds to Hatfield Pretoria very often. Back then, it very much reminds me about Afrikaans ladies who 8 out of 10 would smoke in the pub, on the street and at the club. I used to take it for granted.

When I arrived in Switzerland some time ago, I also thought it was quite normal to see lots of people smoking all over the place. It is a standard I told myself. Not until I visited other coutries in the EU where sane legistlations banning the smoking in public places were already put in place for the reason. I do not understand why the first world country like Switzerland would be different. It is a small country with fabulous scenery and fresh air.

Sorry, I must have missed the previous discussions re smoking ban laws.

colinwheeler 31.01.2011 18:20

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087619)
It's the people who stand right by you, light up and insist on their rights.

Next time that happens, just look around for a reasonable smoker, go over to them and ask them to go over and give the inconsidderate prick a good kicking?:boxer:

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1087623)
How are they poluting the air you breathe?

It is the constant abuse, social stigmatism, bigotry and really fair statements like the one from baboon below. Seriously in winds me up so much I am going to go and have a smoke.:p

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Originally Posted by baboon (Post 1087625)
Sorry but no. The majority of smokers here don't ever think about the effect on other people, just their need to satisfy their addiction

I believe that this statment puts you firmly into the same category as the pillock smokers that are also inconsidderate. I don't know how reasonable, moderate people actually survive on this planet.:msncrazy:

Mud 31.01.2011 18:21

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Originally Posted by baboon (Post 1087625)
The one that really really bugs me is ski lift queues or on the lift itself. One big reason for going up there is the clean mountain air......

I was up at a resort in Lucerne some years ago and while draining the lizard a 12-something boy walked in the bathroom, lit up a fag, and in my shock I mumbled (in poor German) "no smoking in the toilets boy!". We walked out at the same time and he said something to his father and I got the stink eye... I swear to God his dad was Geoff Capes

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/stefi1/geoff.jpg

and I boogied my a$$ away and quick!:eek:

MusicChick 31.01.2011 18:26

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Originally Posted by colinwheeler (Post 1087634)
I don't know how reasonable, moderate people actually survive on this planet.:msncrazy:

Ok, I have had my share of smoking days, in fact it was the only way to be numb to smoke when gigging. I do understand people who are hooked, etc etc. But, honestly, what's reasonable about smoking? If you like it, you like it. We like some unreasonable things, right? But, I still don't think there is anything reasonable or moderate about addictions, cigs, smoking next to people, in public places.


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