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Well, first, let me say that I believe that I a considerate smoker and try to go out of my way to avoid forcing my habit on anybody else....I am most probably not very good at it but think I try.
The solution is for non-smokers to speak up if they are being effected. I would immediately appologise profusely and move away from anybody who complained. Secondly just for smokers to be more considderate through people telling them that it is effecting them and then doing something to solve it.
Education and simple common courtesy is better than laws.

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See, here's the thing.

Depending upon what's going on with my health, sometimes it is "better" for me to simply buck up and breathe as best I can because if I take enough of a breath to speak up, I'll start coughing which often is taken as me giving attitude.

On a day of good weather, it really isn't so much of an issue for me, then again, on a day of good weather, the smokers tend to stand out in the open too though. On days like today, when it's cold and gray and drizzly, the smokers stand under the protection of the tram stop to get out of the weather which, due to the closeness of the air, traps the smoke more and makes it more smoky than usual - and that much harder to breathe.


Ah well, been around and around on this topic enough to know that (some) smokers feel like they're the last allowably picked on people on earth.

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Not in this way. Smoking is banned in all closed rooms, but not (yet) in outside areas.

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NO, this is a non-starter. If 2 out of 10 guests smoke, the whole place smells of smoking, the whole furniture smells of smoking, and if you as a non-smoker sit down your clothes and your hair stink within 5 minutes ! You at the other hand ought to realize that the Zurich smoking ban is considerate by allowing fumoirs.

NO, a "considerate smoker" would have stopped smoking when entering a closed room of any kind, and this 50 years ago and not just when some non-smokers might "speak up"

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Speak up....

Do you know how often someone who speak up gets a aggressive attitude/answers from a smoker?

How often I said to a smoker if he wouldn't mind to not smoke next to my toddler with the cigarette hanging right at her face level?

How often when I am waiting for the tram with her sitting on a bench a smoker will come to sit with us and light up?

How often a smoker will breath out his smoke right in my face, me looking heavily pregnant?

What was the answer I got on this forum not long time ago....

Yes, I was saying that I went to sit down under a cover waiting for the tram when a girl, next to me (who was there before) light up a cigarette.

Answer from smokers?

Well, she was there first, I should be the one moving. No matter if I have pain in my back, if I am not able to stand for long on my legs and if I have to stand under the rain because I try to escape from her fix!

And I am not starting on my asthma... but hey! Like smokers told me, I just have to stay at home!

If you are a considerate smoker, you are probably one of the 0.01% of the smokers who are considerate.

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They'd better join the queue.

The Israelis, Serbs and Americans got there first... ;)

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I like the idea of the yellow box for smokers. The thing is most of the train platforms that I use are outside with a covering over them and the smoke gets trapped. This week, I sat on a bench w. my Migros take away and two smokers came by and sat down next to me and both lit up while eating. What can I do? Only move, say something or inhale the fumes as I am eating my warm Swiss lunch. I just think it is a bit rude, but smokers don't think so.

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Looks like New York are going to take their smoking ban to the next level.....clicky

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They should just ban cars within NYC too and make everyone take the bloody subway. :rolleyes:

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As a considerate smoker I would NEVER smoke in a non-smoker's space, outdoors or indoors. Even my friends who are non-smokers will occasionally tell me if we are on a long car trip, have a smoke in the car, it is okay, just open the window. I refuse as I don't like to smoke around non-smokers, never have, never will.

Yes, but then don't you see why it is so nessesary for me to stand up for myself. All the non-smokers think I am a dick because I enjoy the occasional smoke and all the smokers think I am spineless because I don't tell the millitant non-smokers to shove it when I am within my rights.

Screwed either way and as much as you don't want to hear it, by tarring me with the same brush as those other inconsidderate smokers, you guys are justifying the behaviour of the millitant rights smokers as a defence.

Once again, I am sorry but if you don't believe that understanding and communciation are the best possible way forward rather than having to have laws and fines and punishments and rights and all these things, then I have lost the fight and have would generally have no other choice but to choose a side. Until that happens though, I will be standing way down the other side of the platform having a quiet smoke, enjoying it where I think it is likely to irritate as few people as possible.

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How possibly someone cn be more understanding than the non-smokers who have been under the smoke rules?

I'll give you an exemple:

A group of 5 friends (3 non-smokers, 2 smokers) go to a restaurant. Before the ban, when asked which section to sit, the smokers will right away say smoking section. Who cares if 3 didn't smoke.

Other exemple. One restaurant coffee in Basel looks really nice, I tried to go there once. The entire grount floor was smoking area, the first floor was non-smoking. You go to the first floor and it is full of smoke coming from downstairs.... :rolleyes: I left.

Do you think that non-smokers will be THAT vindicative if they didn't feel pushed and walked on for so long? Honestly, if communication, understanding and respect would alwayd been on the table, do you think that the situation will have come to this point? Banning?

Nope, if banning came as a solution it is because smokers weren't ready to be sensitive and respectful for more then the half of the population.

It is sad that it came to this, but I think that non-smokers got more than enough of trying and accepting and trying some more.

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Well I guess as usual then the more moderate of us are just going to have to live with being screwed by the inconsidderate.:cool:

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It's not a ban, a ban is a complete removal from sale, or allow the use of smoking products.

Quick question were you were once a smoker once Nil? I have a feeling you may have posted in a thread a long time ago.

I could dig, but I'm not sure I can be bothered.

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Yes I was.

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I agree about the perfume, but I can promise you that it isn't always the worst situation to be in. Still can you imagine if you could see perfume in the air just like one can see smoke? :eek:
BTW, there are laws going on the books with regard to excessive perfume use as we "type." :)

Outdoors isn't the issue. The issue is that a train/bus platform is a public space that one where one is required to be present to utilise the services on offer.

This is unfortunately, incorrect. To use this word implies that the smokers who use near others in close quarters, especially children/medically compromised, are unaware that their habit is undesired or damaging or painful for a significant subset of the population. I was always amazed by the number of people who smoke at the entrances to hospitals and on children's play areas. Truth is that these people, which in all probability comprise a small number of smokers, just don't care. Their only concern is getting their next fix. The problem is simple. Nicotine is an amazingly addictive drug and tobacco is still the simplest delivery mechanism.

I am very tolerant of smoking as long as I am not hovered around and don't smell the odours in my clothing hours later. This is the main reason that there is still a push for further restrictions. It isn't exactly fair, but every time someone who smokes lights up next to someone else who isn't smoking, when they can't escape, it just reinforces the feeling that there is still too much abuse to the non-smokers.

I agree. Most smokers don't deliberately blow smoke in peoples faces, etc. But, that doesn't stop some sociopaths from almost burning my child's face because they can't control their glowing cigarette end in crowded streets. This doesn't even begin to address the issue of the smoke from lit cigarettes at child head height because people don't even want to breathe their own smoke unless it is through the filter. :rolleyes:

Oh and BTW, if farts clung to cloth and hair like tobacco smoke, I would want them banned in public too. The real difference is that, as far as I can tell, most people who fart don't do it willingly and with deliberate intent.

The sad truth is that it was once in the hands of the smokers to stop this social legislation. Once! But the general impression left, on those of us who don't smoke and are in the majority, is that smokers have no ability to negotiate the implied social contract and control their behaviour. So the time has come and gone for self regulation and the lawmakers are doing it for us all.

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You must keep very civilised company! :D

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I have heard of one person that was removed from their job because of it.

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Non smoker here.

Ban in Restaurants: OK.
Ban in Bars: Iffy-
Ban on airplanes: OK.
Ban in offices: OK.
Ban in trains: Sort of OK, but since there were always clearly marked smoking areas that people happily complied with, this might slip into the realm of OTT.
Ban on train platform: C'mon, get a grip. Stand away from the people smoking. People have gone from tolerating it to demonizing it. How do you know people aren't irritated when you get a cell phone call and spend 15 minutes rabbiting on about rubbish? It's the same thing. Do you wear perfume? A lot of people don't like that either.

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I think you should consult an astronomy text. You'll realize that the entire solar system does not revolve around you. You sound awfully self-centered, which doesn't seem so apparent in your other posts. Seriously, if you were a car driver, would you insist that everyone get out of your way? Do you also insist that everyone speak English in your presence?

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Don't. Just recalibrate your GAS meter.

Checked mine: still at null.

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Let me guess..... you are a smoker...:rolleyes:

To answer all your questions in once:

Yes I am a Queen and everyone should bow when seeing me.

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;) ..........

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I believe that...

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I've always been a non-smoker, and I agree with him.

The anti-smoking hysteria is becoming ridiculous.

We've got legs. Why don't we use them?

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Read above again, some people don't have all the time the options to move around as they wish. Young kids, disable, old people, preggos, etc. And beside, it is again asking to the non-smokers to be tolerant, to be convenient, to take it and shut up, etc.

Maybe it cames to this point because they are tired to be ask all of that when too many smokers are not able to give only one thing asked: respect.

Otherwise, why are we now in this demonisation of the cigarette if it is not for this issue?

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Should laws for all be made for the benefit of a few? The vast majority of us are perfectly capable of shifting our lazy bottoms a few feet away from those awful smokers. That's nowhere near as much fun as making a big fuss about it, though, is it?


Well, that is what tolerance is all about. For some reason, people seem to think that it's about liking stuff, celebrating stuff, approving of stuff. It isn't. Tolerance is about accepting the fact that other people are human just as we are. Tolerance is about accepting the fact that if we give people a bit of leeway for not being perfect, they might be more inclined to give us a bit of leeway for not being perfect.

I don't like people smoking round me, but they probably don't like me gobbing off in English in their presence, either. If I can get on their nerves, they have a right to get on mine. That's what civilised society is all about.

Because it is no longer acceptable to lynch black people and beat up Jews.

There always has to be a scapegoat. ;)

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Now you are being a bit Drama Queen. :D

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LIB, will you STOP groaning at people who have a different opinion to yours when it comes to this topic? We know you hate smokers with a passion but some of the opinions have been very fair. :)

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What? You'd rather he'd try to construct a coherent argument?

You must admit that his groans are neater and less tiresome... ;)

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Zürich had a motto a few years ago - Erlaubt ist, was nicht stört. And smoking 'stört', especially when it's raining and the covered area of the tram stop is filled with noxious fog. Why should I have to go stand in the rain?

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Personally I don't like smokers or mobile phone users. We'lll find out in 30 years that the radio waves emmitted from phones and masts are incredlibly dangerous and bad for our health, esp children, and will be linked to a rise in cancers, brain tumours and suchlike. I wish they'd all go and perform their dirty little habits in private. I mean, imagine if everyone who drank or smoked cannabis or injected herion did it in public all the time? We'd be outraged.

Of course, if they're my mates then I don't mind quite so much. It's all the other idiots I can't stand

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It doesn't always work like that though. A few years ago I waiting for a train at Enge with a two week old baby.

There were a lot of people smoking on the platform so I walked right to one end away from absolutely everyone and sat down on a bench.

A few minutes later, a man, smoking, sat down next to me on the bench. I asked whether he could smoke somewhere else and he said he had the right to smoke there and carried on.

So I walked right to the other end of the platform.

How much walking do you want us to do?

Yes - mandatory disabled access to public areas, for example.

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That's one incident. And what about the thousands of other incidents when you have just edged up a few feet without bother, and the problem was instantly solved?

I hardly think a couple of minutes' worth of cigarette smoke in the open air of a city full of cars, buses, trucks and chimneys would make much difference to a child's lungs, anyway.

I wonder if one can catch VD from toilet seats?



Adding a right is not the same as removing one. ;)

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I am not going to sit next to a car exaust either! :rolleyes:

As mush as it is their right to smoke, it is our right to not smoke with them. And this exemple of Tom is a daily story for too many of non-smokers.

Let me ask you something, if non-smokers can just walk away, why smokers can't make the effort to stay away of non-smokers?

A bench, a non-smoker. A smoker comes and sit to smoke.... Smoke your cig at a certain distant to not bother others, when you are done, come and sit.

Simple.

And this will be living in society!

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Put simply: it ain't their problem. :)

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If I may kindly suggest the rollerblades or moped to move away faster from the source of cigarettes smoke. Power of the wheels should effectively relief legs use preventing them from extra stress on quads and hamstrings muscles and thus reduce the fatigue.

I'm sure there are at least a few likeminded smokers who could be considerate enough no to light up and do not deserve all the lynch. The rest hang them on gallows :D

The chemicals in air fresheners are often much more toxic to inhale than the whiff of second-hand smoke...yet people keep using "glade plug-ins" and scented "freshener" sprays in their home.

Do the people on here who complain about second-hand smoke also try to keep their children away from the roads, where hundreds of cars release carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, sulphur, and god knows how many more toxic fumes every day..?

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I have never known a smoker move away because they are concerned about the people around them.
It's always the non-smoker that moves.

I suppose there are some that, when in such a situation, will wait until later to light up.

I'm talking about a new-born baby and not a child. Perhaps it wouldn't make much of a difference but I thought it was a pretty thoughtless and totally unnecessary act by the smoker.

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I guess that it's a good thing that it doesn't matter what you think.

The majority of the people don't want smoking. That is why the laws are being passed. If it was just a few whiny bitchy types (like myself) then the law wouldn't have changed nor would there be more changes in the offing. Plus, this conversation would be about where we could go to escape the prevalent smoking that was everywhere, and I do mean everywhere, in Switzerland just a few years ago.

BTW, the smokers also have legs and I am continuously amazed at the number of them that continue to walk over to non-smoking people in public places to light up. I mean: :WTF: Ever wonder why they don't exercise their right to pollute their environment with others of a like mind? This is not a rational act and their behaviour is not rational either.

BTW, the guy would lights up next to someone with a baby at the far end of a train platform. Not atypical. I had this happen to me almost every time I took the train with my daughter. Not an isolated incident. We'll see how you feel in a few years, if and when you have your own children. ;)

Oh, and not likely, on the VD from toilet seats. Although at first, I thought that you meant Vaud and I was wondering how Vaud was related to toilet seats! :eek: :msntongue:

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Wow, now we fall in the ''let's make any kind of arguments to make a point.''

Since we have some pollution around us, cigarettes smoke shoudln't be a problem. If someone light up some scent at home, cigarettes shouldn't be a problem....

:rolleyes: Is it how you think you'll convince non-smokers to become tolerant?

-Oh! Right, I didn't think about the polution my child breath everyday, but since it is now so clear, let's go and sit next to this smoker, because hey! It won't hurt us, right?

This is a killer argument, I am surprise that the pro-smokers didn't use it when doing their campaign against the ban...

:rolleyes: