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Tom1234 22.08.2017 15:37

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Originally Posted by Patsycat (Post 2835230)

Geneva Airport has a smoking room, it has comfy couches and is very well aired. If I'm too early for my flight, I pop in there and read my book for a while. Rather than being all jittery on the flight!!

I actually like that idea. Ikea has the same thing. It's fine by me and seems a better compromise for all.

Blueangel 22.08.2017 15:38

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2835181)
That's another one of my points I made earlier. Sure, it's the law. But you're not breaking the law by not smoking, are you? Can't you wait until you get home to smoke?

You're not taking on board what I wrote. You're assuming that I spend my time chugging away on train platforms, which I don't. I'm astonished that anyone has time to smoke of platforms when SBB is so efficient. My entire point is that you can whinge your trap off forever more, the change is not yours to make until you're a Swiss citizen, and then go through the proper channels.

You're the one who needs to respect and accept the laws of this country. We do not have the right to impose our expectations from our native countries upon the Swiss.

Blueangel 22.08.2017 15:56

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Originally Posted by Patsycat
Geneva Airport has a smoking room, it has comfy couches and is very well aired. If I'm too early for my flight, I pop in there and read my book for a while. Rather than being all jittery on the flight!!

And that's where I get to meet the cabin crew before a flight :D

I've been tempted in the past, to do a website of airport smoking lounges for people whose flights have been delayed.

Urs Max 22.08.2017 16:11

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Geneva Airport has a smoking room, it has comfy couches and is very well aired. If I'm too early for my flight, I pop in there and read my book for a while. Rather than being all jittery on the flight!!
Aren't these rooms usually ... totally urghh? Perhaps that's the wrong approach, you can't get smokers to not smoke so perhaps it's more useful to make it attractive to smoke there rather than someplace else.

Guest 22.08.2017 16:12

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2835251)
And that's where I get to meet the cabin crew before a flight :D

I've been tempted in the past, to do a website of airport smoking lounges for people whose flights have been delayed.


....bit superfluous, you can usualy smell them !

Tom1234 22.08.2017 16:14

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2835237)
YMy entire point is that you can whinge your trap off forever more, the change is not yours to make until you're a Swiss citizen, and then go through the proper channels.

You're the one who needs to respect and accept the laws of this country. We do not have the right to impose our expectations from our native countries upon the Swiss.

My children are Swiss. This is their country. As their parent but not a Swiss citizen, of course I do not have the right to vote but I have a right to be concerned about this future.
My wife is Swiss too if that helps.

As you keep saying, you're a guest here. Do you mind not smoking near my children who are Swiss citizens?

I think you're getting 'sounding off on this forum' confused with real life.

With regard to the "whinge your trap off forever more" (nice language by the way), this is the complaints corner of the forum.

Why don't you go and start a "I love smoking" thread in the daily life or health sections of the forum?

Blueangel 22.08.2017 16:32

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2835264)
Do you mind not smoking near my children who are Swiss citizens?

With regard to the "whinge your trap off forever more" (nice language by the way), this is the complaints corner of the forum.

That's not bad language.

I never smoke near children. Never have and never will.
I never smoke where people are eating. I find it to be the height of bad manners.
I never book a smoking room in a hotel.
I never smoke indoors, except for in airport smoking lounges. Even in my own home, which I own, I never smoke indoors.

Tom1234 22.08.2017 16:41

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2835282)
That's not bad language.

Not bad as in swearing but I haven't been in any rough London pubs for years so I forgot that people actually speak like that.


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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2835282)

I never smoke near children. Never have and never will.
I never smoke where people are eating. I find it to be the height of bad manners.
I never book a smoking room in a hotel.
I never smoke indoors, except for in airport smoking lounges. Even in my own home, which I own, I never smoke indoors.

What's that got to do with me minding my own business here?
How am I not respecting the laws of the country?

If my family is sitting on a bench having lunch and someone sits on the end of the bench and lights up, and my wife tells them she rather they didn't, is my wife's 'lack of respect' as you so put it really worse than their appalling manners?

Blueangel 22.08.2017 17:17

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2835293)
Not bad as in swearing but I haven't been in any rough London pubs for years...

Neither have I.
As you are obviously very wound up by this issue, and intent on making it very personal by bringing your wife and children into discussion, I'm walking away from it. I'm not prepared to be part of the fight that you clearly want to have. Ta ta.

Guest 22.08.2017 17:41

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2835293)
If my family is sitting on a bench having lunch and someone sits on the end of the bench and lights up, and my wife tells them she rather they didn't, is my wife's 'lack of respect' as you so put it really worse than their appalling manners?

If you are sitting their first, then you have EVERY right to tell them to take a hike, however if you come after the smoker is there, even if he isn't smoking at the time and starts afterwards, you don't have the right to tell them to take a hike.

It woudl be rather inconsiderate of the smoker to smoke whne you were there with kids having lunch, that is for sure, but he was there first and can therefore decide to smoke and when he wants to smoke, not you.

dandi 22.08.2017 18:53

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If you are sitting their first, then you have EVERY right to tell them to take a hike, however if you come after the smoker is there, even if he isn't smoking at the time and starts afterwards, you don't have the right to tell them to take a hike.

It woudl be rather inconsiderate of the smoker to smoke whne you were there with kids having lunch, that is for sure, but he was there first and can therefore decide to smoke and when he wants to smoke, not you.
I'm not sure I see why it would be OK to smoke on a terrace where other people are eating even if you are the first to arrive.

Is it OK to fart in the elevator only because you are the first one to enter the cabin?

Tom1234 22.08.2017 19:27

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2835334)
Neither have I.
As you are obviously very wound up by this issue, and intent on making it very personal by bringing your wife and children into discussion

My wife and children are Swiss. You wrote that I should "shut my trap" because I am a guest here and should respect Swiss laws.

They're not guests. My wife thinks Swiss smokers are an inconsiderate bunch too.

I'm not wound up. Why are you concerned about what I think? After all, as you write, you're only a guest here so it's plainly none of your business (as you suggested in your own post).

st2lemans 22.08.2017 19:37

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Originally Posted by dandi (Post 2835415)
Is it OK to fart in the elevator only because you are the first one to enter the cabin?

Certainly, I do! :D

Tom

st2lemans 22.08.2017 19:38

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2835444)
My wife and children are Swiss.

So? :confused:

Tom

Tom1234 22.08.2017 19:40

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2835448)
So? :confused:

Tom

Read the last few posts of the thread and it will perhaps be a little clearer.

Guest 22.08.2017 20:42

Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh
 
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Originally Posted by dandi (Post 2835415)
I'm not sure I see why it would be OK to smoke on a terrace where other people are eating even if you are the first to arrive.

Is it OK to fart in the elevator only because you are the first one to enter the cabin?


We were talking about a BENCH with one family who came later and who maybe eating not a sodding great terrace with lots of tables. If i get to the bench first and sit down wanting to smoke, they who come later are more than welcome, but not to harass me if i decide to smoke, they are perfectly free to move away and find another bench, as i would have to do if i arrived to the bench after the family eating.

Maybe what they are eating is particularly pungent, just think of people eating a Big Mac in an enclosed space, such as a train for instance, what do the people not eating think ?

Any case quite often their is a smoking section to the terrace.

As regards to your other observation, i'll let you decide on that, it's reallya bit beyond me to decide when you wish to fart

omtatsat 23.08.2017 09:23

Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh
 
Yes smokers are inconsiderate.Forget about whether they are Swiss or not! Just like dog owners.
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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2835444)
My wife and children are Swiss. You wrote that I should "shut my trap" because I am a guest here and should respect Swiss laws.

They're not guests. My wife thinks Swiss smokers are an inconsiderate bunch too.

I'm not wound up. Why are you concerned about what I think? After all, as you write, you're only a guest here so it's plainly none of your business (as you suggested in your own post).


Oliveswiss 23.08.2017 09:43

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I completely agree with you. Many a times I had to move away from them as I get very suffocated when I have a smoker standing next to me.


Hope they will once bring some change to this.

omtatsat 23.08.2017 18:39

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Yes its hoped for a "zero tolerance" against the smokers.

Patsycat 23.08.2017 19:39

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 2835262)
Aren't these rooms usually ... totally urghh? Perhaps that's the wrong approach, you can't get smokers to not smoke so perhaps it's more useful to make it attractive to smoke there rather than someplace else.

The worst ones I've been in are in Bangkok. All the longhall flights from all over arrive at the same time in the early morning. All smokers run for the first smoking box, you can't see outside of them!!

The Geneva one is lovely, it has a little fountain too!! I usually get a little bottle of wine too, just to get into that holiday mode. I'll be doing all that on Friday.


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