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The Swiss hate change
Do they hate change - and not vote for new laws that make a tangible change to their lives?

Or do they not vote for new laws that make a tangible change to their lives, for the worse, but make improvements to society as a whole?
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Perhaps it's just rebelliousness in an otherwise heavily controlled society?
How is it a "heavily controlled society"? Don't the Swiss vote for their own rules so being rebellious about them is a bit, um... redundant?

I'm only a paper Swiss so I could be off-base here, though.
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Do they hate change - and not vote for new laws that make a tangible change to their lives?

Or do they not vote for new laws that make a tangible change to their lives, for the worse, but make improvements to society as a whole?
It's not normal that people would vote against more free time ( paid ) for themselves. They are indoctrinated by big Business! They are so scared that they will lose the smallest from their living standards ( pumped up )
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Old 29.10.2019, 12:28
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

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How is it a "heavily controlled society"?
I'm not saying it's a bad thing and I like lots of the rules but:

You have to register to live anywhere.
You have to keep quiet between 12 and 13.00.
No noise on a Sunday.
No choice of schools.
Healthcare is compulsory.
etc etc
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How is it a "heavily controlled society"? Don't the Swiss vote for their own rules so being rebellious about them is a bit, um... redundant?

I'm only a paper Swiss so I could be off-base here, though.
Swiss. Rebellious. Wow!!! Not! They don't know what that means.
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing and I like lots of the rules but:

You have to register to live anywhere.
You have to keep quiet between 12 and 13.00.
No noise on a Sunday.
No choice of schools.
Healthcare is compulsory.
etc etc
only if YOU choose to go along with that
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Old 29.10.2019, 12:35
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You have to keep quiet between 12 and 13.00.
No noise on a Sunday.
Those are just manners not rules
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing and I like lots of the rules but:

You have to register to live anywhere.
Isn't that much like the electoral roll in the UK, except it's non-discriminatory here because EVERYONE, including foreigners, is treated the same, as regards registering? Plus it's funded sufficiently to make the admin of it work pretty much water-tight instead of a load of disjointed mismanagement allowing people to slip through the cracks.

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You have to keep quiet between 12 and 13.00.
No, basically you just shouldn't make excessive noise over lunchtime, which includes shitty noisy building sites as well as trumpet practice, etc. You don't have to "keep quiet" as in talk in hushed tones and walk around on tip-toe.

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No noise on a Sunday.
Depends where you live, but generally it's not acceptable to make EXCESSIVE noise on Sundays but, to be honest, the places I've lived, that seems to be a bit of a myth perpetuated by expats (along with flushing toilets after 10). Everyone goes about their business without batting an eye.

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No choice of schools.
You can appeal it if you have a good reason, but I think it's good that the system prevents parents from picking and choosing on a whim.

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Healthcare is compulsory.
So how do you think it works in the UK? You don't pay for it via a monthly bill like here but it comes out of your taxes. Healthcare is compulsory in all the surrounding countries. What are you suggesting for Switzerland as an alternative?
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Old 29.10.2019, 12:47
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

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Isn't that much like the electoral roll in the UK, except it's non-discriminatory here because EVERYONE, including foreigners, is treated the same, as regards registering? Plus it's funded sufficiently to make the admin of it work pretty much water-tight instead of a load of disjointed mismanagement allowing people to slip through the cracks.



No, basically you just shouldn't make excessive noise over lunchtime, which includes shitty noisy building sites as well as trumpet practice, etc. You don't have to "keep quiet" as in talk in hushed tones and walk around on tip-toe.



Depends where you live, but generally it's not acceptable to make EXCESSIVE noise on Sundays but, to be honest, the places I've lived, that seems to be a bit of a myth perpetuated by expats (along with flushing toilets after 10). Everyone goes about their business without batting an eye.


You can appeal it if you have a good reason, but I think it's good that the system prevents parents from picking and choosing on a whim.



So how do you think it works in the UK? You don't pay for it via a monthly bill like here but it comes out of your taxes. Healthcare is compulsory in all the surrounding countries. What are you suggesting for Switzerland as an alternative?
Again you're trying to drag this completely off-topic.

My question was why don't Swiss obey the smoking rules set by SBB?

Simple question, eh?

I also added the caveat that I wanted an answer from a Swiss person and not a wannabe-Swiss precisely for the reason that you've just shown - trying to pick holes in an argument I really am not trying to have.
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Again you're trying to drag this completely off-topic.

My question was why don't Swiss obey the smoking rules set by SBB?

Simple question, eh?

I also added the caveat that I wanted an answer from a Swiss person and not a wannabe-Swiss precisely for the reason that you've just shown - trying to pick holes in an argument I really am not trying to have.
Eh? I am Swiss?

To be fair, you dragged quiet Sundays, schools and healthcare into the thread. Not me.

How on earth can you be sure that it's ALL Swiss people breaking the SBB smoking rules? I think that is the question you should be asking rather than making massive assumptions about people.

Could be tourists or anyone for that matter. Switzerland is made up of quite a fair whack of forrins, you know.
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Old 29.10.2019, 13:10
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Eh? I am Swiss?
If |I got an Italian passport tomorrow - I wouldn't start waving my arms around when I talked.
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If I got an Italian passport tomorrow - I wouldn't start waving my arms around when I talked.
I'm sure the Italian Department for Dodgy Stereotypes will be eternally grateful for that.

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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

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So our village station has gone non-smoking.

It's an outdoor station. No SBB employees work on site.

So that'll be effective, then!

Anyone remember "nuclear-free zones" in the eighties?



i expect it's self patrolling DB, go on, it's not that far to the station right?
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Old 29.10.2019, 14:07
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Again you're trying to drag this completely off-topic.

My question was why don't Swiss obey the smoking rules set by SBB?

Simple question, eh?
My anecdotal evidence shows that the real eidgenossen obey the rules, it's just those bloody papierlischwizer again who don't.

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How on earth can you be sure that it's ALL Swiss people breaking the SBB smoking rules? I think that is the question you should be asking rather than making massive assumptions about people.
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I never wrote ALL. I wrote "Swiss people". You wrote "All".

If I wrote "English people drink too much", would you come back with "But my Aunt Hilda is English and she's tee-total!" ?

If you include the "ALL", you generally mean everyone. If you don't, it means generally means some.
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Those are just manners not rules
Why do you need these rules if it's just good manners?

In the U.K, I would never have dreamed of making a noise over lunch or on Sunday (cutting the grass etc).
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I as well.

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I never wrote ALL. I wrote "Swiss people". You wrote "All".

If I wrote "English people drink too much", would you come back with "But my Aunt Hilda is English and she's tee-total!" ?

If you include the "ALL", you generally mean everyone. If you don't, it means generally means some.
So in that case you agree that it's not just Swiss people flouting the rule about smoking on SBB platforms, then?

Does this also mean that you will open the floor to non-Swiss to comment on possible reasons why this might be?

How do you know my Aunt Hilda ?? Did she tell you she was tee-total? Cheeky mare - you should see her at Christmas on the Dubonnet...
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You have to keep quiet between 12 and 13.00.
Depends where you live.

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No noise on a Sunday.
Ditto.

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Healthcare is compulsory.
No, health INSURANCE is compulsory, not health CARE.

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My anecdotal evidence shows that the real eidgenossen obey the rules, it's just those bloody papierlischwizer again who don't.
You mean like St1Lemans?
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