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Old 07.02.2011, 20:45
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Re: Where are the REAL MEN?

Where are the real men?
-Boys have been spoiled by their Moms. How do you expect them to grow up to be a man.
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Old 07.02.2011, 20:48
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Re: Where are the REAL MEN?

Nothing to do with guns though. My OH's mum was hard as nails. She had to be as her man was a nuisance. So he can stand on his own two feet, cook, iron, survive - and mostly he does not feel threatened by women with a mind of their own! Where is that Harry Henfield 'little woman' dinner party video. It's so wonderful.
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Old 07.02.2011, 21:12
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Re: Where are the REAL MEN?

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I doubt they're all selfish, inconsiderate oafs.

At least, not outside Zurich.
Nope, I had a bit of a tumble over a tram track that I did not see over the weekend and first thing somebody did was offer me a hand up and ask me if I was okay.....and he was a hoodie wearing youf of about 16....
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Nope, I had a bit of a tumble over a tram track that I did not see over the weekend and first thing somebody did was offer me a hand up and ask me if I was okay.....and he was a hoodie wearing youf of about 16....
He'd have been a foreigner, then.

Or at least of migrationshintergrund...
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Old 07.02.2011, 21:18
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Guys, any experiences with being told off by a woman when you only wanted to be polite?
Yup, slapped by an angry South African feminist 20 years ago for opening a door for her. Her comment was that I was treating her as less than an equal in assuming that she could not open her own door. I was speachless for about half an hour!
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Old 07.02.2011, 21:26
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and he is right here sitting next to me on the couch watching yet another chick flick with me
Okay, but that is not chivalry, that is heroism above and beyond the call of duty.....or is it?
He is sitting on the sofa watching a chick flick while you entertain yourself on EF?
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Old 07.02.2011, 21:30
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Boys have been spoiled by their Moms. How do you expect them to grow up to be a man.
Well that is certainly not where the real men are....blaming their mothers for not making them into real men.
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Old 07.02.2011, 21:36
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Yup, slapped by an angry South African feminist 20 years ago for opening a door for her. Her comment was that I was treating her as less than an equal in assuming that she could not open her own door. I was speachless for about half an hour!
I hope it didn't stop you!

I love it when a man is enough charming to open the door for me. Small little thing that make my day. My face will light up and I'll give him a big smile.

And I know that it makes his day too to see me happy and smilling about it!

Win - win situation!
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Re: Where are the REAL MEN?

`Cause mothers are at work all day, and Daddy is too ..... that`s why God invented Grandmothers.

We talk about all these little things, during the day, when us who have the luxury of not "going out to work" have the time ......

...*Standing up for older people .. why fetching the firewood is a "male" job .....why little sister should not be shouted down in conversation ..... how polite it is to open doors for women (even though this comes from medieval times of throwing the women into the doorway to receive the first blows from enemies within - THIS
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Old 07.02.2011, 21:41
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I hope it didn't stop you!
Nope but the next time I got an angry feminist reactions I simply say, "Look, I open doors for men, women and children, so I am all up for equality, but the next time some feminist slaps me expect to be treated perfectly equally."
I became quite aware of the last couple of days, looking around at how smokers behave and to be honest, I don't think the average person on the street actually does pay enough attention to the people around them. I think that people (and no, not just smokers) would do well to start learning some pro-active manners.
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`Cause mothers are at work all day, and Daddy is too ..... that`s why God invented Grandmothers.

We talk about all these little things, during the day, when us who have the luxury of not "going out to work" have the time ......

...*Standing up for older people .. why fetching the firewood is a "male" job .....why little sister should not be shouted down in conversation ..... how polite it is to open doors for women (even though this comes from medieval times of throwing the women into the doorway to receive the first blows from enemies within - THIS
oops, my fingers ran away with me!

.....THIS adds spice to older brothers intentions .......

Anyway, these basic "civil" behaviour things take time to explain ..... and opportunities to present themselves. Time that many parents just don`t seem to have these days, with all their commitments to earning a living.
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Old 07.02.2011, 21:44
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Time that many parents just don`t seem to have these days, with all their commitments to earning a living.
So very true I believe....so we all have to leave our kids in DB's hands to learn how to be real men.
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So very true I believe....so we all have to leave our kids in DB's hands to learn how to be real men.
.... or mine...!

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Old 07.02.2011, 22:15
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Nope but the next time I got an angry feminist reactions I simply say, "Look, I open doors for men, women and children, so I am all up for equality, but the next time some feminist slaps me expect to be treated perfectly equally."
The best quote I ever heard when a man held the door open to a rampant feminist went something like "I hope you're not holding the door open because I'm a woman" to which he replied "Certainly not, I'm holding it open because I'm a gentleman".
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Old 07.02.2011, 22:28
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Re: Where are the REAL MEN?

Yes Janite, I do agree, we are different.
For instance, professionally, men tend to be very successful as they have the capacity to skim the essential right off the surface and use it to get ahead, while women tend to take care of all the fine details to make it work.
Complementary is the term that comes to mind. The capacity to enhance the other's best perhaps. The best successful teams are often male/female regardless of the subject.

Nevertheless, I really do not see how and when today's education has "feminised" the world and has impacted young men ?

What do you mean by that ?
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Old 07.02.2011, 22:34
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Complementary is the term that comes to mind. The capacity to enhance the other's best perhaps. The best successful teams are often male/female regardless of the subject.
I always like to think of it from the point of view that we are two halves of the most succesful species on the planet who could not function without eachother.

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Nevertheless, I really do not see how and when today's education has "feminised" the world and has impacted young men ?
From my point of view (and I would like to know how many men agree with me on this) it is very confusing to be taught that women are special and should be treated specially and then be taught that women are equal and should be treated equally.
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Old 07.02.2011, 22:40
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Nevertheless, I really do not see how and when today's education has "feminised" the world and has impacted young men ?
I wouldn't say that, what has happened is that education and environment has "averaged" sexes in a very significant way. Males are more femalish and females are more maleish. For me the whole situation is a bit sad but I suppose its just a matter of preferences. Anyway, in the future gay people will be able to clone or get improved versions of themselves; or even get versions of themselves and their same-sex partners. Maybe I'm old fashioned and this thingy of having well defined sexes is just getting obsolete.
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If your topic is education, I must insist on definitions. Calling something feminin just because it is done by women does not do it for me. The stereotyping does not qualify as valuable concepts either in my class, it be the ones from the 19th century or from late 20th.

Learning that gender is only a PART of identity would help male and female students of all ages (and a couple of teachers too). Not denying the gender part is a wonderful program for a school, but overdoing it will just ruin it. In foreign language teaching curriculum, I had a fight myself about only using sport as a masculin topic and have the rest straight from a girl's bedroom (clothes, shopping, books, diary...) We changed that according to feedback from students and to research we could find. Having colleagues with teen boys helped a lot too, our consultants in a way. But in some grades, the main focus now is actually making them understand that boys and girls actually belong to the same species, as it is rarely clear to them.

That being said, your discussion is broader than this remark's focus, so I understand that many other points made were totally valid even when not directly matching my assertions.
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Old 07.02.2011, 23:20
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in the future gay people will be able to clone or get improved versions of themselves; or even get versions of themselves and their same-sex partners. Maybe I'm old fashioned and this thingy of having well defined sexes is just getting obsolete.
how do i get a female version of myself? this would save me a lot of time trying to find the perfect woman. tia.
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Re: Where are the REAL MEN?

We're the weaker sex.

Men don't live as long as women.

We get more heart attacks, strokes and prostate trouble.

I say, it's time for a change. I say, let them give us money. Let's live off them for a while.

That probably shocks you, right?
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