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Old 17.02.2011, 17:27
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Re: Bad experience with ecoleint

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Old 17.02.2011, 21:00
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Re: Bad experience with ecoleint

Thank you for all your messages. I will also answer all private messages as soon as the system allows ( 4 messages every 1440 min?).

Again, I wish I knew this forum before we made the school selection and ready to share my experience privately.

An advice: even if you are in the process of selecting a new school, avoid to give this information to the previous school too much in advance.
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An advice: even if you are in the process of selecting a new school, avoid to give this information to the previous school too much in advance.
Great advice. Same applies to jobs - and marriage partners...
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Old 17.02.2011, 21:34
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You send me a pm to tell me most of what you already said here, means: not much. You opened a thread to complain, which is all good. But for God's sake do tell us the story of your complain.

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I mentioned I could not detail the entire case but I was really astonished to see the way in which the school deals with several aspects:

1. how they are managing the situations where kids are involved in a conflict -- my daughter helped one day another girl who failed over some stairs, she went with her to the nurse; two days after, my daughter has been accused to have pushed this girl and my daughter has been taken to discuss the matter with the principal, school psychologist and all staff. It happened that this girl is the daughter of some rich persons, coming and going from the school depending on their residence); we couldn't have even a small say, is all our daughter's fault. Can you imagine what a child is thinking if always it is the scapegoat of other because she is considered to be poorer or not dressed according to the latest fashion or having eyeglasses, etc. ?
2. another example: the teacher is absent for some times leaving alone the 6 years old children when they are normally 2 teachers for that class, children are hitting one each other in the mean time; when we reported this to the principal, they are not surprised, they are saying that the kids didn't hurt themselves too much. It happens that always kids from some wealthy families are hitting and insulting most of the time and others have just to be punished or suffer from the actions of the first.
3. when we and other parents asked if the 12 years old kids will learn some history, geography we were told that this kind of information is not useful, since all the information in on internet.
4. another example: teacher is coming all days, writing emails during class time, asking the same wealthy kids:"so where have you done your shopping this week-end ?" Obviously those who are not interested by the latest iPhone or dress and look only to learn are considered as weird.
5. another example: one kid from the same upper class is tearing up my daughter's paper( she was preparing it for a month) in front of the teacher and all the teacher has to say is "you're not so lucky, you have to start again your work".

Need more examples ? And all this while we were paying the same fees as the upper class.
Again, I am happy we had the choice to move our children to another school.

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Old 17.02.2011, 21:38
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Great advice. Same applies to jobs - and marriage partners...
We thought it would be better to tell the school in advance in order to prepare the transition to the new school but it was not a good idea, children were even more excluded than before.
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I mentioned I could not detail the entire case but I was really astonished to see the way in which the school deals with several aspects:
Let's slow this down a bit.
Re - History and Geography - Your complaint makes sense to you but there is quite a bit of common sense behind the school's attitude here. History and geography of what? The teaching matter in these two subjects, as taught to children in this age group, is often dependent on where they are living at the time. The school may have found they are wasting their time (and your money) teaching Swiss geography to children who, six months later, will be living in Singapore, Hungary, California and Peru. And history, being a subject so easy to 'warp', must be dynamite to teach anyway.

To the other points - I am NOT trying to say that your comments are not true and/or accurate, but they are your conclusions to statements which, I presume, your daughter made. But her statements will have been made from her point of view. When your children are older, you may get quite a few surprises as they start to see things from a broader angle.

I hope you get the school matter sorted and that your children will be happy and successful students.
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Re: Bad experience with ecolint

This is why we changed the school for our children. We took many references from other parents concerning the curriculum, the way in which children are treated, etc.

In my opinion, the basics of the culture must be part of the curriculum OUR (not Yours) are learning. Geography, history of art, of mentalities, teaching humanitarian values, maths are not a matter of potential conflict between different nationalities.
When we are paying a lot for these educational services, I think one is entitled to complain fr bad treatement or poor curriculum, withdraw the children if the school is not the appropriate one.
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In my opinion, the basics of the culture must be part of the curriculum OUR (not Yours) are learning. Geography, history of art, of mentalities, teaching humanitarian values, maths are not a matter of potential conflict between different nationalities.


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....indeed, and Constantin Brancusi would have turn 135 years today....

I forgot to mention literature, music in my previous list. In my opinion, sharing/teaching knowledge and culture might be a way to avoid these bad experiences unfortunately tested by our children.
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So, are you suggesting that this curriculum document (PDF) is untrue?
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You're right. Mending shoes can be a lucrative business in Switzerland.

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Re: Bad experience with ecoleint

I did all my high school education at Ecolint, but that was 30 odd years ago. At the time it was a great school - but I must admit I have heard some bad things about it in the past few years.

Which is sad - I had a great time there. Made life long friends etc.
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What is crazy is that you pay but you don't have any say.
Here we are. You pay for Swiss school via taxes too and nobody is asking you your opinion about it either (and never will, believe me), so get ready to fight the system !!

You didn't like it, you redrawn your children and you WERE RIGHT doing so. Well done, you are a responsible parent. But that does not apply to a particular school. Any school can be "bad" for somebody. If rich kids are the core problem, then you were right to look for an alternative with no rich kid. It's a reason as good as any other to redraw kids.

Ecoleint like any other IB school has signed a convention with the IB organization, and is not a place where people can walk in and get things changed based on personal experience and private opinion. It is based on a pegagogical system widely explained in many websites that you will find by looking up "PYP", "MYP", "IBO mission statement", and you get the assessment criteria directly at the school. You are free a agree or disagree with it, but Ecoleint like any other IB school is controlled and assessed by inspections every 2 to 5 years. Inspection procedures are decided by the IB organization, it is real external inspection.

Least but not last: The school is huge. Of course there are negative opinions about it. That's the law of numbers. One does not always get exactly what one want, and definitely not when thousends of people want to get their way. Simple logic.
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What bothers me is what you have written so far tells me nothing. If you have a genuine gripe, let's hear it - otherwise don't waste our time...
The OP just wrote down her/his opinions and said that people should do some research before, very good information.

"genuine gripe"...on EF...what kind of BS is that....

and nobody forced you to read all the threads here, it's complaints corner after all...
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it's complaints corner after all...
Very true, but one has to complain about something. Otherwise, there is nothing to share with the readers. If sharing something is not the goal, then writing is not the right method. But that's me again and logic, I don't want to bother people with that too much.
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Very true, but one has to complain about something. Otherwise, there is nothing to share with the readers. If sharing something is not the goal, then writing is not the right method. But that's me again and logic, I don't want to bother people with that too much.
True, from the very read of it, looks like the OP was a bit unsure on how to share his bad experience. Giving very exact description on a public forum could not be helpful keeping in mind his/her kids are/were in Ecoleint.Thread deletion also caused a bit of scepticism. Definitely he could have been a more descriptive to start with.
None the less, I appreciate he shared his views, experiences,I am sure it would help someone !
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Let's slow this down a bit.
Re - History and Geography - Your complaint makes sense to you but there is quite a bit of common sense behind the school's attitude here. History and geography of what? The teaching matter in these two subjects, as taught to children in this age group, is often dependent on where they are living at the time. The school may have found they are wasting their time (and your money) teaching Swiss geography to children who, six months later, will be living in Singapore, Hungary, California and Peru. And history, being a subject so easy to 'warp', must be dynamite to teach anyway.

To the other points - I am NOT trying to say that your comments are not true and/or accurate, but they are your conclusions to statements which, I presume, your daughter made. But her statements will have been made from her point of view. When your children are older, you may get quite a few surprises as they start to see things from a broader angle.

I hope you get the school matter sorted and that your children will be happy and successful students.
I went to an international school, from 1st grade through IB. They really will teach you the history of whatever comes to mind. India, China, Europe, whatever the teacher decided was interesting. The fact that kids will be leaving to faraway places is simply justification for not sticking to the region the school is in. I remember kids from the US would have to do extra classes, because they happened not to teach US history.

Also, regarding disruptive influences from other kids, don't forget it's often not their parents who are paying. In Geneva especially, international organisations pay for a great share of the school places. They may feel their place in the school is as much a birthright as an ordinary kid thinks of a state school. (Not that it excuses their behaviour...)
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They really will teach you the history of whatever comes to mind. India, China, Europe, whatever the teacher decided was interesting.
Yes they do, but it's a school policy, not the choice of an individual teacher - it be the school wants it like that, which I have just never heard of but why not. Curriculum is school decision in MYP and is implied by IB requirements for the diploma (the examination curriculum is quite clear if I remember it right, with a certain freedom for the teacher but with a clear frame).
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