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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

I think there is a clear distinction between the different types of Restaurants.....if I'm taking "my lovely" out for a nice dinner, I wouldn't want a Piñata Party taking place right next to me...however, if I'm out and about with some friends (not that I have any) then I wouldn't mind the atmosphere being a little more relaxed and lively.
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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

To the OP - keep trying - there are some fun and more light-hearted places out there. I hate places (when I'm eating) where people are competing for town-crier rights but I do know what you mean about the opposite end of the spectrum. The first meal I ate in a restaurant in Zurich was just grim. The food was great, the service fine in an efficient rather than friendly way, but the fellow diners The only noise was the repetitive and monotonous round of self-important throat-clearing. I honestly have been to more light-hearted funerals.

On the other hand I don't eat out here much (tend to save it for trips abroad for better value for money) but have seen some Zurich townsfolk letting there hair down - particularly around the Christmas party season where, in right/wrong place, it can get too noisy (like a lot of London/NY restaurants)
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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

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I found the title of your thread amusing as it reminded me that in certain countries and cultures, funerals can actually be quite lively and animated events.
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Old 17.02.2011, 11:14
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What is it with people here and the low low noise level? I think they will drive themselves mad having Mariachis playing next to them while eating (LOL!)
Er, what kind of restaurant did you go to here? and what kind of restaurants did you go to in the US?

At the end of the day, its all about common sense isnt it? You walk into a restaurant, you get a feel of what the place is like - noisy like Santa Lucia - or elegant and quiet like some of the hidden gems in Seefeld - and you ADAPT to your surroundings. If you think its like a funeral parlour, by all means walk out and look for the next lively looking place. Some people choose a quieter place probably because they are in the mood for it.

Personally, I think the noise level of the restaurants here is perfect. Even Hiltl and Tiffin at their busiest, I can hear myself speak.

If I want to shout, or chat with waiters, I'd go to a bar. Definitely a cultural thing.
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Old 17.02.2011, 12:15
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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

I think it may very well be, that there is a different noise tolerance here than other places and I know that there are some extremely nosy people and some who only talk to you if there is something to complain about your behaviour. Maybe they are right sometimes, sometimes they are not. It can be difficult to react when all of a sudden someone you don’t know comes up to you and tells you to do this but don’t do that etc., even more so if you don’t know the place and don’t speak the language well. But sometimes they should just keep minding their own business and probably you would not be the first person to tell them so (people shh-ing in a bar, wtf?).

Probably I’m just oblivious of many things mentioned here, being brought up here and so on, but just because someone tells you something it does not have to be done, not all of “us” do everything the same way anyway.

…and funerals, I don’t know what supposedly normal swiss behaviour would be. After a rather quite ceremony in church, some of our family would go home others would go to a restaurant/bar together, some drink, some laugh, some cry, some talk…Maybe I should buy one of those swiss culture books to understand what all the fuss is about.
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Old 17.02.2011, 13:06
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Stupid country. The trams rattle around from around 5am. The Swissies all slam their car doors and drive around like loonies at 6am. At 7am the builders start work and the factories and shops start their deliveries.

Then they all fall into a coma at 7pm ready for the 5am start.

I'll never get used to it, but luckily living in Basel people are flexible with the rules and there isn't a lot of "shhh"ing going on.

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if I'm out and about with some friends (not that I have any) then I wouldn't mind the atmosphere being a little more relaxed and lively.
You do have a few friends LiB (albeit slightly strange ones)but I can understand you not wanting to admit to that here (Porsch might get jealous).

On Topic: I like a bit of noise in a restaurant but certainly not raucous laughter and people bellowing at each other. In a bar that's fine but if I want a romantic night out or a catch up with some friends I don't want to be shouting across the table at them in order to be heard.

Mind you, saying that, the only restaurant I've been to in the past 18 months or more is KFC and that was far from quiet
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Old 17.02.2011, 14:06
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On Topic: I like a bit of noise in a restaurant but certainly not raucous laughter and people bellowing at each other. In a bar that's fine but if I want a romantic night out or a catch up with some friends I don't want to be shouting across the table at them in order to be heard.
Yeah, Diner's can be sooo noisy.... although there are good conversations there.

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I like a bit of noise in a restaurant but certainly not raucous laughter and people bellowing at each other. In a bar that's fine but if I want a romantic night out or a catch up with some friends I don't want to be shouting across the table at them in order to be heard.
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Old 17.02.2011, 15:34
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But I do have to say, apart from various bells, Switzerland likes its peace and quiet. And I like it that way...
I wish our Switzerland liked peace and quiet. We still have to call cops at least once a week because there is so much noise outside past midnight, and we are in the residential area. The cops always tell us to move, wtf.

I think you can't really make generalisations about pubs and restos. There are so many different ones. Most times, if you have fun and laugh out loud when eating here, people like it, look at you with interest. I guess it's the region. I have walked out of places I didn't enjoy, service wise or noise wise, I guess one can walk out of retirement home atmoshere, too.

Now, noise or not, if I had one wish, I'd only want local restos change the pseudo 70s ski cabin, worn formaica interiors.
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Old 17.02.2011, 18:19
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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

I'm sorry to be racist but 'some' American diners can be the loudest. Really too loud. Okay some Germans and Brits can be noisy but some Americans only speak at a Spinal Tap volume level 11 all the time. And it really can ruin a meal.
If you want to try a dining experience with a difference where it's guaranteed to be a bit noisy, try dinig in pitch black at the Blinde Kuh. It's amazing.
For really raucous try Casa Loca in Kilchberg (a hen night speciality location).
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Old 17.02.2011, 18:28
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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

lol... another reason that we are leaving. I am all for people being able to choose places and cultures that suit them. But for sure, the Zurich culture does not suit us. We are off to Spain in a few weeks and won't look back.

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'Swiss quiet' does indeed take some getting used to for those of us from somewhat louder cultures. While I understand that quiet is sacred in this culture, while I try my utmost to be a good neighbor, to comply - the obsession with silence is wearing me down. I feel like I'm living in a tomb.

My entire day is structured around 'being quiet'. I have the dogs trained to hand signals so that I do not speak, for fear of offending delicate neighborhood ears. Heck, even the husband is trained to hand signals. When my visiting nieces and nephews were young children, we had to teach them to use their 'Swiss voices'.

It's bad enough that we must maintain silence at home. But that one cannot get away from it even when going out for an evening - I feel like I've lost the capacity to have fun.

Some time after we moved here the Quartier held a block party where we finally had a chance to meet the neighbors. I was shocked to see that there were a good number of children living in the neighborhood, as I had never seen - and certainly had not heard - a child outside playing. There are no pick-up football games in the common area, no silly horseplay in the gardens, no hanging out with friends - none of the typical childish fun I had as a kid. To my mind this is sad.

I've always been a quiet person, at least according to my own cultural standards, but the need for total silence here is killing me.
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I'm sorry to be racist but 'some' American diners can be the loudest. Really too loud. Okay some Germans and Brits can be noisy but some Americans only speak at a Spinal Tap volume level 11 all the time. And it really can ruin a meal.
If you want to try a dining experience with a difference where it's guaranteed to be a bit noisy, try dinig in pitch black at the Blinde Kuh. It's amazing.
For really raucous try Casa Loca in Kilchberg (a hen night speciality location).
Really? I've been in the Flying Cow before in Martigny, but Blind Cow? Where's that??
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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

I don't think it is 'racist" at all, as 'we' Americans are every race on the planet.

But I think for every American that you have seen speaking loudly in a restaurant, I could match them with a Brit/German/Spaniard/Brazilian etc.

When I go out to restaurants in San Francisco, where I am from, I know in advance if I am looking for romantic/raucous/classy/trendy and have no problem finding a place to match. In Zurich, that is not as much the case...

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I'm sorry to be racist but 'some' American diners can be the loudest. Really too loud. Okay some Germans and Brits can be noisy but some Americans only speak at a Spinal Tap volume level 11 all the time. And it really can ruin a meal.
If you want to try a dining experience with a difference where it's guaranteed to be a bit noisy, try dinig in pitch black at the Blinde Kuh. It's amazing.
For really raucous try Casa Loca in Kilchberg (a hen night speciality location).
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I dislike it when a restaurant is noisy. I can't hear and I get a terrible headache.
It must be age
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Really? I've been in the Flying Cow before in Martigny, but Blind Cow? Where's that??
It's in Seefeld, Zurich.
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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

if you are the type of person who sees first the disadvantage (too much noise/too much silence) in a situation you could avoid and/or change - then you will find one ore the other problem everywhere. regardless if it is zurich, dublin, chicago or barcelona.

just because something is not suitable for us, does not mean that it must be wrong, dull, bad or too noisy. maybe you will get used to it, can change it ... or ... maybe you are simply in the wrong place.

we are free to choose what fits our needs - hopefully.
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Stupid country. The trams rattle around from around 5am. The Swissies all slam their car doors and drive around like loonies at 6am. At 7am the builders start work and the factories and shops start their deliveries.

Then they all fall into a coma at 7pm ready for the 5am start.

I'll never get used to it, but luckily living in Basel people are flexible with the rules and there isn't a lot of "shhh"ing going on.
I dunno. If someone gets 'shhhhed' in a bar, they must really be making a racket.

Personally, I find it embarrassing when the only loud obnoxious voice in a restaurant has an egregious American accent. For God's sake, look around you for guidance.

I recall sitting in a nice restaurant in Füssen, Germany and cringing when some jackass at a corner table starting talking to his tablemates about his time in the army when they 'rolled raht oveh them dirty Natzehs'.

Appalling.
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Re: Restaurants like Funerals!!!

The last time I was on a night out in Zurich we were being a little loud in the Bodega. The Swiss folk at the next table started commenting on how much noise we were making so we told them to either join us or stop complaining. They joined in the fun & we all ended up having a good time together.
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Ok y'all, am I going to wrong places or what?

What is it with people here and the low low noise level? I think they will drive themselves mad having Mariachis playing next to them while eating (LOL!)
They're not americans?

There's a reason we're considered "loud and obnoxious" by most europeans: we're often louder than they are.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say if you are consistently becoming aware of "how quiet" everyone is, and people in public are telling you "SHHHH!", you're being the loud yank.
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Ok y'all... did I tell you that once I got a "SSHHHH!!"..... What is it with people here (LOL!)
Probably the locals at the other end of the room didn't find your conversation that interesting
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