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Re: Why do the Swiss say Humer (who mer) instead of Homer?

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Actually, none of the phonetic changes were haphazard, and, interestingly enough, a lot of them happened in more than one family of languages..Anything that looks like an exception in some language has a reason behind it. The "exceptions" are just used to simlify explanations to language students.
Indeed! That is exactly what I was asking about. I am all right with historical linguistics in German/Dutch and skandinavian, but I never looked at old english closely. I stopped in that direction in old-saxon. Not enough to understand present pronounciation of English. Hence my cry for help.
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That's what I thought. Houston has an aspirated "H" whereas Euston, well, doesn't have an "H" at all. It's more like "Hooston" and "Yewston".

Only the francophones would say Houston as "Ouston", much the same way my daughter gets called "Annah", where her name is Hannah.
I have NEVER heard an "aspirated H" in Houston. To me it just sounded, if spoken by Texans like
YUSTEN and Euston when spoken by Londoners simply sounded like
YUSTEN !

An really aspirated "H" is what you these days heard about the taCCHHreer-square
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Now that is good!
good ? not really, as it may land you up in front of a UN court for applying torture on presumably innocent people
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Re: Why do the Swiss say Humer (who mer) instead of Homer?

Actually, we pronounce "Houston" much as one would expect, given the origin of its name - thus, "Hugh's Town" - from the 10th or 11th century.

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Actually, we pronounce "Houston" much as one would expect, given the origin of its name - thus, "Hugh's Town" - from the 10th or 11th century.

HTH
I have heard how people in London pronounce "Euston", and I have heard how people in San Felipe de Austin (Houston) pronounce "Houston" and IT IS the same Even if otherwise, the speaking of the two sides do not have too much in common except a rough idea about a "common" language
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Actually, we pronounce "Houston" much as one would expect, given the origin of its name - thus, "Hugh's Town" - from the 10th or 11th century.

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I have heard how people in London pronounce "Euston", and I have heard how people in San Felipe de Austin (Houston) pronounce "Houston" and IT IS the same Even if otherwise, the speaking of the two sides do not have too much in common except a rough idea about a "common" language
Perhaps you should check where Houston really is - the reference to the 10th/11th century was perhaps too subtle for you

Google is clearly not your friend, but nevertheless I ain't gonna post a link, so get off your @rse, note the missing 700 years hint and do some real research.

Really.

HTH.
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Re: Why do the Swiss say Humer (who mer) instead of Homer?

hugh de padinan: "houston, we have a problem! down here in renfrewshire".
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Actually, we pronounce "Houston" much as one would expect, given the origin of its name - thus, "Hugh's Town" - from the 10th or 11th century.

HTH
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Houston
Houston
city in Texas, U.S., founded 1836 and named for first president of Texas, Sam Houston. errr,,,,,
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hugh de padinan: "houston, we have a problem! down here in renfrewshire".
Glad someone's paying attention - can I trouble you to explain it to MacG's D, please




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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Houston
Houston
city in Texas, U.S., founded 1836 and named for first president of Texas, Sam Houston. errr,,,,,
Yes, but the name "Houston" (that 'Sam' was named after) is from the 11th century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_Renfrewshire

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Yes, but the name "Houston" (that 'Sam' was named after) is from the 11th century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_Renfrewshire
Now you're just being silly. The Texas president visited Renfrewshire on 25th January 1047 for whisky, haggis and poetry - though the locals didn't quite understand why.

He had such a great time and made such a lasting impression that they named the local Wetherspoons after him.

History and geography being what they are, the beer garden grew over time into the metrolpolis that is today known as Houston, Renfrewshire.
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Yes, but the name "Houston" (that 'Sam' was named after) is from the 11th century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_Renfrewshire

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Now please.... is it my fault etymonline is publishing this
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Absolutely, the joke goes both ways. I would add also the US pronounciation of Addidas to the list by Americans. They mispronounce that word in my opinion and I think it is equally funny.
I would point out that this is due to how Addidas markets their company in the US. When they introduced their brand into the US, they could have used the German pronunciation, but chose to "Americanize" it.

Another example is Nissan. In the US, it's pronounced Nee-sahn. In the UK, it's Niss-sahn. This doesn't make either pronunciation wrong. It's just how the company chose to develop their advertising. No doubt with the input of local advertising execs.
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Re: Why do the Swiss say Humer (who mer) instead of Homer?

this thread reminds me of ordering a whopper for the first time in a burger king in florida, decades ago. after trying to issue my order, there was a lot of whispering and giggling between the ladies behind the desk .......
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Indeed! That is exactly what I was asking about. I am all right with historical linguistics in German/Dutch and skandinavian, but I never looked at old english closely. I stopped in that direction in old-saxon. Not enough to understand present pronounciation of English. Hence my cry for help.
You mean why Homer is a dipthong in the 1st syllable in Eng but it is [u] in Ger? I don't think there is any real historical explanation, loaned names after the main phonetic shifts have their own ways, I think?

Altough, there is analogy with home which used to be if I remember well prononced more like huome, before, just like in other languages (we have duom -> doum -> dům), monopthongization of dipthongs happened all over, German might be the same way (the sound [humer]), but again, I do think that names are somewhat exempt, but believe that the way people tend to pronounce is infuenced by the similarly written words (so there would be influence by the same shift, just 2nd hand). I am not sure if there would be any new occlusion since the m sound was always there in that name, or palatalization, though, since there is no consonant to palatalize. I think the English pronounciation is a matter of comfort, the stress on the first syllable helps the rounding of the ou dipthong, rather than following the real old Greek way where it was the 2nd syllable, that was accented, no? Just a theory, might be all off base here.
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Perhaps you should check where Houston really is - the reference to the 10th/11th century was perhaps too subtle for you

Google is clearly not your friend, but nevertheless I ain't gonna post a link, so get off your @rse, note the missing 700 years hint and do some real research.

Really.

HTH.
I do not need research. I have been in Houston/TX repeatedly and I have been at Euston Station in London repeatedly . And that is perfectly sufficient. Houston/TX is what used to be San Felipe de Austin until 1836 and then got renamed, while the old name remained the name of the county. Euston Station in London is out of the 19th Century.
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I do not need research. I have been in Houston/TX repeatedly
Houston where?
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Got any O's ?

Four candles ?
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