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Re: Why do the Swiss say Humer (who mer) instead of Homer?

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italian trying to speak proper english? haven't met one yet
Same can be said of English speakers tyring to speak Italian!

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The French Canadians made up the neologism étatsunien. It is widely used there, much less in French speaking Europe.
Eh, no!

Yes we know the term, but no, we don't really use it. Not in the population and neither on TV. It is a slang who is definitely not the norm.... At all.

Sorry to argue on that, but your statement is very wrong!
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Here a bit of phonetics.
The wave length and articulation of vowels are different in English and German. Each language has its own vowels. The frontiere between two vowels is acoustically not the same, it will depend the language system and partially even depend on dialectal differences.
In other words, the German long /o:/ is rounder than its English cousin, which means that English speakers will identify this same sound as a /u:/ because it is closer to that vowel in English vowel acoustic repartition system.
Hence: English ears will hear English vowels, even if the same vowel will be heared as a different German vowel by a German ear.

Did that help?
Not really. Let's look at the words: von, Sohn, Ton, Dom. All basically closer to the English HOmer than Humer.
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The best is when Swiss people try to pronounce US brands like Nike (Swissenglish: Niickey) or Levis ( Swissenglish: Leeevfisss). Those are always great moments to witness.
You know that's pretty close to the correct pronunciation, from the Greek goddess Nike, right?

Anyone who says Nike to rhyme with 'bike' should be slapped around the chops with a wet octopus for his ignorance.
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Eh, no!

Yes we know the term, but no, we don't really use it. Not in the population and neither on TV. It is a slang who is definitely not the norm.... At all.

Sorry to argue on that, but your statement is very wrong!
Sorry for that, my mistake. I read it in Canadian media, sorry for the wrong generalisation. I edit and correct. But the word is definitly a canadian creation, even if it didn't take off.
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Re: Why do the Swiss say Humer (who mer) instead of Homer?

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You know that's actually pretty close to the correct pronunciation, from the Greek goddess Nike, right?


Anyone who says Nike to rhyme with 'bike' should be slapped around the chops with a wet octopus for their ignorance.
Thats a little passive aggressive don't you think?

I think you would find that most people who pronounce "Nike" as the brand would refer to it the way it is pronouced in the US. Although I understand the difference between the goddess Nike and the brand "Nike", I still would refer to the US pronounciation since the content of the brand "Nike" has very little to do with the Greek goddess. I hold those two words distinct from one another, in their meaning and thus pronounciation.

EDIT: Actually the Greek goddess is spelled Niké not Nike. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_(mythology)

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Old 20.02.2011, 23:12
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Which is why, for the past couple of centuries, English speakers have simply called them "Americans".
Mt girlfriend regards anyone speaking 'English' as speaking 'Americano'!

Hell, she probably can't hear the difference between Scottish and Welsh, either!

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EDIT: Actually the Greek goddess is spelled Niké not Nike. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_(mythology)


Yeah, er, whatever.
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The best is when Swiss people try to pronounce US brands like Nike (Swissenglish: Niickey) or Levis ( Swissenglish: Leeevfisss). Those are always great moments to witness.
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You know that's pretty close to the correct pronunciation, from the Greek goddess Nike, right?
Anyone who says Nike to rhyme with 'bike' should be slapped around the chops with a wet octopus for his ignorance.
Hard to accept for some people but true. And the "Swissenglish" pronunciation of Levis mocked by Cbass is much, much closer to the Hebrew original than the totally distorted English pronunciation.

By the way, have you ever heard how (US) Americans try to pronounce Swiss brands like Jaeger-Lecoultre, Vacheron Constantin or Ulysse Nardin? I'm not even trying to give a transliteration of their attempts. Great moments to witness? You bet!

On the other hand, how come Roger Federer, the tennis crack, doesn't even know how to correctly spell his first name? Every radio and TV announcer etc. of (Swiss) German mother tongue pronounces his name "Rotcher." I've never heard an exception. After all, they are the people who get payed for correct speaking, aren't they? They must know, right? So, why does Federer seem to be the only one who doesn't know what's right?

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Actually the Greek goddess is spelled Niké not Nike. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_(mythology)
Sorry Cbas, both in Ancient Greek and in Modern Greek, the stress is on the first syllable, and that applies to the name of the goddess as well as to the simple word for victory. And the most important thing is that the "i" is NOT a diphthong as in "hide" but a monophthong as in "hit." In other words, the "Swissenglish" pronunciation IS much closer to the original. Period.

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Old 21.02.2011, 00:31
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Re: Why do the Swiss say Humer (who mer) instead of Homer?

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Why do the Swiss call poor Homer Simpson "Who mer?"

It's become a pet peeve of mine.
I still have trouble in imagining a situation where Homer Simpson comes up in conversation with "the Swiss", who by the way watch the Simpsons most weeknights on SFDRS2 at about 18.30 just after the announcement that the show is not suitable for those under 14.

So it's watched in German here, and how is Homer pronounced on the show??
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You know that's pretty close to the correct pronunciation, from the Greek goddess Nike, right?

Anyone who says Nike to rhyme with 'bike' should be slapped around the chops with a wet octopus for his ignorance.
Which means that the proper Swiss-German prononciation has to be
"Niikä"
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Thats a little passive aggressive don't you think?

I think you would find that most people who pronounce "Nike" as the brand would refer to it the way it is pronouced in the US. Although I understand the difference between the goddess Nike and the brand "Nike", I still would refer to the US pronounciation since the content of the brand "Nike" has very little to do with the Greek goddess. I hold those two words distinct from one another, in their meaning and thus pronounciation.

EDIT: Actually the Greek goddess is spelled Niké not Nike. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_(mythology)
but not if you look it up in the German Wiki

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike

beside the point that most English/American computers do not make the use of the "é" exactly easy
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Old 21.02.2011, 01:24
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Hard to accept for some people but true. And the "Swissenglish" pronunciation of Levis mocked by Cbass is much, much closer to the Hebrew original than the totally distorted English pronunciation.

By the way, have you ever heard how (US) Americans try to pronounce Swiss brands like Jaeger-Lecoultre, Vacheron Constantin or Ulysse Nardin? I'm not even trying to give a transliteration of their attempts. Great moments to witness? You bet!

On the other hand, how come Roger Federer, the tennis crack, doesn't even know how to correctly spell his first name? Every radio and TV announcer etc. of (Swiss) German mother tongue pronounces his name "Rotcher." I've never heard an exception. After all, they are the people who get payed for correct speaking, aren't they? They must know, right? So, why does Federer seem to be the only one who doesn't know what's right?


Sorry Cbas, both in Ancient Greek and in Modern Greek, the stress is on the first syllable, and that applies to the name of the goddess as well as to the simple word for victory. And the most important thing is that the "i" is NOT a diphthong as in "hide" but a monophthong as in "hit." In other words, the "Swissenglish" pronunciation IS much closer to the original. Period.

Always take Wikipedia with a pinch of salt.
The name Levi is indeed Hebrew, and in Continental European usage
LEVI, Sohn des Jakob
it is not pronounced in the way of the language in which Levi Strauss made his career. Now, for German speakers, to combine the old pronounciation of Levi with the English genitive-"s" is extremely tempting, also to those who in theory know how it is in English

Roger Federer ? He grew up with the name "Roschée Fäderer" So what ? And those media-folks who pronounce Roger as if it was an English name are rather ridiculous, particularily if they give their talk in dialect instead of in standard-language
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Roger Federer ? He grew up with the name "Roschée Fäderer" So what ? And those media-folks who pronounce Roger as if it was an English name are rather ridiculous, particularily if they give their talk in dialect instead of in standard-language
My point is not the English pronunciation, but the pronunciation that is meant to sound English but would be totally wrong in English. They pronounce it like "Rotcher," not "Roger."
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Holland is not the same as the Netherlands, much the same way that England isn't the same as Britain.
Technically correct, but the difference is the attitude. I lived as far away as one can get from Holland within the Netherlands and people do not care. It is completely normal to wear shirts or wave flags saying "Holland" for the national team. I cannot imagine a Scot in an English jersey.
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My point is not the English pronunciation, but the pronunciation that is meant to sound English but would be totally wrong in English. They pronounce it like "Rotcher," not "Roger."
Correct you are, sure, but are you astonished ? Astonished about media-folks who use what they regard as "English pronounciation" for a perfectly Swiss name ? Astonished about media-folks who describe Prime Minister Berlusconi as "Staats-Chef" ?

I don't know who started this nonsense, whether it was he himself, his father, a media-person or a marketing-person. Nonsense it is. Here in Switzerland they ought to say Roschée in the usual way. Similar to the media (mis-) use of Standing Ovation which in German simply is Stehender Applaus. I mean there are expressions which have a completely different meaning in German/English like aktuell/actually, but in this case, it really is the same.
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Similar to the media (mis-) use of Standing Ovation which in German simply is Stehender Applaus.
Decades ago, the St. Galler Tagblatt reported on a major event and mentioned a "standing ovulation."
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My point is not the English pronunciation, but the pronunciation that is meant to sound English but would be totally wrong in English. They pronounce it like "Rotcher," not "Roger."
If that is the way they would normally pronounce "Roger", I don't see any problem. Does Federer prefer to be called "Roger" as opposed to "Rotschée" in French (or German or Italian)?
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If that is the way they would normally pronounce "Roger", I don't see any problem. Does Federer prefer to be called "Roger" as opposed to "Rotschée" in French (or German or Italian)?
He prefers to be called Mr. Federer unless he has granted Dutzis. If you are not Swiss then he'll excuse you for using his first name, as all non-Swiss are ignorant.

No-one wanted to Roger that?
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Yeah, why do the Brits say "Pah-riss" instead of "Pah-reee" for the French Capital ??
In fairness, the French pronounce London as "Londres."
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