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Old 06.03.2011, 18:46
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How funny,

Some here pretend to be more catholic than the Pope....

Please, those of you who don't like brands, real nor fake, tell me...

You never buy anything that has a brand on it? Running shoes from Nike? Suit from Boss? Coffee from Nespresso? Jacket from Max Mara? Ipod? Iphone? Ipad?

And for sure, none of you download music, movie, video, pictures or applications for free?

How many of you should be on the canonisation's list for not buying any fake, any copies and God forbid any brand?

Funny bunch!
Hey, I like my brands, but don't want the name plastered all over.

I have three Ducatis, two purchased new. All have (mostly) unpainted bodywork, and don't say Ducati anywhere visible. Don't wash them very often, either (I prefer to ride in the rain instead). Probably why they haven't been stolen.

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I wonder if you are in the salary band that can afford to shop at LV... otherwise you would know what the real bags look like. My wife has for example this one:



But that might be lost on you if you only know the brand from the kiosks selling fakes at the beaches of the Balaton.
A bit below the belt Treverus, really. 'Class' (whatever that is!) has nothing to do with 'labels' and hugely overpriced bags, honest. Some who 'have it' might say 'how very Nouveau Riche'.
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How funny,

Some here pretend to be more catholic than the Pope....

Please, those of you who don't like brands, real nor fake, tell me...

You never buy anything that has a brand on it? Running shoes from Nike? Suit from Boss? Coffee from Nespresso? Jacket from Max Mara? Ipod? Iphone? Ipad?

And for sure, none of you download music, movie, video, pictures or applications for free?

How many of you should be on the canonisation's list for not buying any fake, any copies and God forbid any brand?

Funny bunch!

I would have a problem with someone plagarizing literature, music or some visual work of art for profit. The same goes for other kinds of intellectual property. But as for someone copying fashion merchandise, especially certain brands, I don't have a problem with it one bit.

I still hold that someone carrying a fake Louis Vuitton is still advertising the brand, given that their logo is all over it. I don't believe it is a great big financial loss for LVMH, as those who buy counterfeited purses are not even likely to spend the thousands to buy the real thing.

Does it cheapen the brand? I don't really mind as the brand is over-valued as far as I'm concerned, and I don't have any interest in the value of the brand.

There is still a huge difference between style and fashion. Style is an expression of a person's individual taste and personality. A fashion brand is for people who have no style and so have to resort to purchasing it.

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A watch however is very different- as it takes 100s of hours to make all parts by hand and a lot of skill to put an excellent watch together - very different to a T-shirt or even handbag.
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Of course I do ! My toilet paper is "Cashmere Premium" 2ply made in BC Canada.Nothing but the Finest for my assFurter more"labatt Blue" Beer
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A real hand made quality handbag, like a Kelly, takes a lot of time to produce. It is also why you have a waiting list over a year to get one...
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It's all crap anyway.5k for a bag is stupidity.

I'd rather a nice hand crafted bag/shoes one off piece from a non brand local shop in somewhere like spain/portugal/italy.

Screw these brands.

Couldn't have said it better, fully agree, of course assuming you can't afford it in the first place.
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A real hand made quality handbag, like a Kelly, takes a lot of time to produce. It is also why you have a waiting list over a year to get one...
this is what Hermès wants you to believe. It's a way for them to increase the attractivity of the product by creating an artificial rarefaction.....Apple is doing same thing as well as the Nano's of the Migros
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this is what Hermès wants you to believe. It's a way for them to increase the attractivity of the product by creating an artificial rarefaction.....Apple is doing same thing as well as the Nano's of the Migros
That is not the same thing.

There are products that truly have a quality about them, particularly in the materials used and they way the are manufactured. In such cases, high price is justified. There some products that are protected by intellectual property, and in such cases, they can name whatever price the market can bear. But then there are products that simply carry a logo and there is no difference in quality to no-name brands. In these cases, it is a rip-off.

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this is what Hermès wants you to believe. It's a way for them to increase the attractivity of the product by creating an artificial rarefaction.....Apple is doing same thing as well as the Nano's of the Migros
By my work and position in the industry, I had the chance to see first hand how those bags are made. From the choice of the material, inspection, control, hand work, etc.

Very fascinating work.
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Where were they made and by whom, as a matter of interest? But as Adrian says, we are rather diverting from the OP- although the production, design, etc, are closely related to those businesses working closely with police and customs to limit fakes.
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By my work and position in the industry, I had the chance to see first hand how those bags are made. From the choice of the material, inspection, control, hand work, etc.

Very fascinating work.
i know also the story of how the "hermès" ostriches are selected in the farms for the leather and how the manufactures work. But they know for many years that they have waiting lists, technically it's possible to meet the demand but they refuse it to create the rarefaction. It's part of a marketing strategy.
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That is not the same thing.

There are products that truly have a quality about them, particularly in the materials used and they way the are manufactured. In such cases, high price is justified. There some products that are protected by intellectual property, and in such cases, they can name whatever price the market can bear. But then there are products that simply carry a logo and there is no difference in quality to no-name brands. In these cases, it is a rip-off.
I know..There are a lot of things that are forced on people, having them think they are getting quality when they are buying that piece of uber important tag, the rest is marketing and junk, exploited labor on top of that, often. There are people who present themselves and sell themselves as quality when they really aren't, just know how to sell. That's biz and it is up to consumers to be savvy.

I just don't know what would I do, if a friend, imagine, gave me some ripped purse, or a pair of fake jeans as a gift, since they can't afford more, and me saying...no thanks, it's fake, I can't wear it, take it back. Punishing people based on what they own as opposed to what they buy is nonsense. That's just pure greed.

Radiohead were smart. They knew people will rip their music no matter what, so they had one album available for free downloads for their fans. Talking of intellectual property..
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i know also the story of how the "hermès" ostriches are selected in the farms for the leather and how the manufactures work. But they know for many years that they have waiting lists, technically it's possible to meet the demand but they refuse it to create the rarefaction. It's part of a marketing strategy.
I am not arguing on that.

By refusing to produce more of them in a certain time table, they create a rareness and a demand even bigger indeed.

I was more commenting on the fact that a handbag can take as much time, if not more than a watch to produce. Depending of the quality and the work (like everything else).
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I know..There are a lot of things that are forced on people, having them think they are getting quality when they are buying that piece of uber important tag, the rest is marketing and junk, exploited labor on top of that, often. There are people who present themselves and sell themselves as quality when they really aren't, just know how to sell. That's biz and it is up to consumers to be savvy.

I just don't know what would I do, if a friend, imagine, gave me some ripped purse, or a pair of fake jeans as a gift, since they can't afford more, and me saying...no thanks, it's fake, I can't wear it, take it back. Punishing people based on what they own as opposed to what they buy is nonsense. That's just pure greed.
A French proverb that I will try to translate as best as I can...

''A cheval donné, on ne regarde pas la bride''

''One doesn’t look at the reins of a horse given as a gift''
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A French proverb that I will try to translate as best as I can...

''A cheval donné, on ne regarde pas la bride''

''One doesn’t look at the reins of a horse given as a gift''
Ah, in England we say 'Don't look a gift horse in the mouth'
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I can assure you that making every single component of a watch by hand will take much longer than making any bag - like weeks or months.

Watches

Parmigiani carries a men's line of watches, and a line that caters specifically to women.[1][2] All Parmigiani Fleurier watches are hand-crafted, taking at least four hundred hours to create;[3] they are created with only precious metals and precious or semi-precious stones.[4] In order to create exclusivity, only a few thousand pieces are produced every year.[5] Their watch lines include the Toric, Forma (renamed Kalpa) and the single watch, the Bugatti 370.[6]


One of my neighbours makes watches by hand, his own designs, and he only makes about 10 a year.
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Ok, but wait a second..People are caught, wearing some gift some friend gave them. So, why not punish the person who wears the fake gift, right? This bit does not make sense to me. If somebody wants to punish me right at the moment when I am, sneakily and vainly, buying myself a fake, then I understand it. Not that I have ever done it, but still. I think it is a lost battle. Go after the people who manufacture these, distribute these, sell them, make cash on people who are putting these into circulation. Not after the final client. if somebody gave me a fake I would really have no idea, nor do i care. Do I want to be humiliated by some crazies at the airport while traveling? I think the whole shtick is fundamentally wrong. And I don't think it is going to last, thb. It's harassment, all it takes will be that one person who can actually afford a good lawyer.
The Grenzwachtcorpsmitglieder cannot intervene in China or in Turkey or in Iran, but they by international agreements and by valid laws are required to confiscate fakes whenever they see such stuff in the border areas. The matter is legally watertight.
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YES ,they take the liver too and the kidney is for paymentsThe good thing is you get a receipt
Relax. As a private person, you can import at least 3 liters (more even I suppose) of US Budweiser, as the USA Budweiser trademark is supported in quite many countries outside Europe, but commercially the Czech Budweiser has won in court in most European countries. The trick is that the US company is older than the Czech company but that the Budweis beer tradition is far older than the USA company. AND that neither copied from the other company but both followed the old City of Budweis tradition.
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Ahh !now I get it LV stands for " LOVE VICHY"
Vichy ? Bad memories come up. I once had a glass of "Vichy eau minerale" in about 1964 which was salty and absolutely horrible ! And my Godfather had been in the Maréchal Pètain Vichy on a diplomatic mission in about 1942 or 43 and tended to joke about the hypocritical and bigot Vichy setting dominated by repulsive ugly hyprocritical priests. Never been to that town myself in fact !!
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