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Old 09.03.2011, 14:56
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Re: My fake Louis Vuitton contraband was seized at Geneva Airport's Customs

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The quality of a T-shirt? I'm sorry, but these T-shirts are not expensive because of the quality. They are expensive because of the logo. And buying into such a logo already shows a mindless drone obedience to fashion brands. The mindlessness of it is ironically funny.
I didn't talk about the quality of the T-Shirt, its fabric, cut or stitches. Believe it or not, I have much more experience than probably the majority of you in here on that matter...

What I was talking about is the quality of his work, as an artist, a designer or a brand. The marketing is very strong and they are doing a great job to make people believe they need it.

I am not defending the concept of a brand. If brands are so populars it is because the people want it. As long as people will buy it for what ever the reasons behind, the brand will be something important in the society.

Just look at the amount of Bugaboo in the streets and honestly the quality of the material used is pretty rubbish to me and people are paying 1000 of francs for that thing.

I have a Mulberry bag. I love it. Did I bought it because of the name? Nope. I bought it because I loved it, because of its quality and because I know it will last for a very very long time. You have to come close and pay attention to it to see the brand. Am I proud of my bag? Yes! Because I love it for what it is and what it offer me. I am proud of the brand because it tells me that I am having quality in my hands.

But this whole discussion doesn't change the comments you made earlier which do bother me a lot.

What the sexual preference of someone has to do with which brand he wears or not?

And why judging someone on his taste of brand make you believe that person is mindless?

When I see people judging others on their choices, tastes and decisions, I always think that those judgemental people are looking for some reasons to make themself feels better, bigger, clever than those they look from their high horses...

My two cents...
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Just look at the amount of Bugaboo in the streets and honestly the quality of the material used is pretty rubbish to me and people are paying 1000 of francs for that thing.
Actually Nil I dont know if you have children but when I was looking for buggies I had no loyalty or predisposition to the bugaboo brand. Indeed if anything I didnt want to purchase it (because of the brand association & cost). My criteria was simple - what is the easiest buggy to collapse and reassemble in the rain with shopping bags and toddler running off in the direction of on coming car.... -it was the bugaboo hands down that won. It was the only buggy I could put together with one hand and take apart easily. So while the brand has gained traction and possibly sometimes purchased to be seen (though I think there are other brands on the buggy market now for that) it is actually the best buggy if those are your criteria.
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Actually Nil I dont know if you have children but when I was looking for buggies I had no loyalty or predisposition to the bugaboo brand. Indeed if anything I didnt want to purchase it (because of the brand association & cost). My criteria was simple - what is the easiest buggy to collapse and reassemble in the rain with shopping bags and toddler running off in the direction of on coming car.... -it was the bugaboo hands down that won. It was the only buggy I could put together with one hand and take apart easily. So while the brand has gained traction and possibly sometimes purchased to be seen (though I think there are other brands on the buggy market now for that) it is actually the best buggy if those are your criteria.
I am not arguing that. But the quality of material and fabrication doesn't justify the price.
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Re: My fake Louis Vuitton contraband was seized at Geneva Airport's Customs

True. But that could be said for the majority of products of the market. Price isnt only determined by material & labor/fabrication.
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But the quality of ... fabrication doesn't justify the price.
That's what my Uncle Bertrand's publishers said...
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But this whole discussion doesn't change the comments you made earlier which do bother me a lot.

What the sexual preference of someone has to do with which brand he wears or not?
It would be like an old man walking down the street wearing a Gary Glitter T-shirt. It raises suspicions.
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It would be like an old man walking down the street wearing a Gary Glitter T-shirt. It raises suspicions.
Hardly the same thing, old chap.

Someone's bored at work today...
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And why judging someone on his taste of brand make you believe that person is mindless?

When I see people judging others on their choices, tastes and decisions, I always think that those judgemental people are looking for some reasons to make themself feels better, bigger, clever than those they look from their high horses...

My two cents...
I agreed with you till this part. (You might know more about t-shirts, but maybe a bit less about marketing )

People buy brands for what reason exactly? Because they like the values a brand stands for and want to associate themselves with the brand. Easy. Or to put it in a different way: They WANT to be judged by the brands they wear. So yes, I think it is not totally wrong to follow their wish and do so. Only problem: The same brand might mean different things for different people or even if they agree on a value a brand carries might different people like or dislike the value.

As we are talking about LV The brand is on the expensive side of high street shops, has mainly "vintage" but very distinctive designs. So for the fan/buyer it might stand for having the money to spend on the brand and like "classic" designs. For others these exact same values can mean: More money than sense, no taste for fashion as the bags look the same for decades, a girl that needs the distinctive brand to raise her self-esteem... add whatever you want.

The guys could have the same discussion on cars for ages. Watching the British top gear program, I can even see massive differences between brand recognition in the UK and here... in Switzerland is an Audi for example a rather conservative car while only young males from the Balkan or Turkey drive 2nd hand BMW 3 series... in the UK the latter seem to have switched to Audis while a M3 seems socially accepted (well, if you got friends like Clarkson...). When my brother in law bought a 3 series, I only asked him if he got a matching color veil for my sister...
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I don't mind wearing a Gap, American Apparel, Abercrombie or iZod shirt; if the name happens to be on it. I would not wear a D&G logo shirt for the reason that I see a stealth message in it. But that's just me. You all can wear it to your hearts content, as far as I'm concerned.
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I don't mind wearing a Gap, American Apparel, Abercrombie or iZod shirt; if the name happens to be on it. I would not wear a D&G logo shirt for the reason that I see a stealth message in it. But that's just me. You all can wear it to your hearts content, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't know any of those brands, I'm afraid.

What's the stealth message in Switcher t-shirts, though?
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Anyway, the ultimate fashion statement will be the EF range - but that is on another thread. Where shall we get them made on slave labour?
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Re: My fake Louis Vuitton contraband was seized at Geneva Airport's Customs

Is George Atasda straight?
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True. But that could be said for the majority of products of the market. Price isnt only determined by material & labor/fabrication.
That's what I have been saying!
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Re: My fake Louis Vuitton contraband was seized at Geneva Airport's Customs

I think the whole thing is worthy of a police state (and I realize that there similar laws in many places now).
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I don't know any of those brands, I'm afraid.
They say: I am a 25-40 yr old middle class, most likely white US american and want to look average. Or as you English would put it more nicely: "Smart casual".
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I think the whole thing is worthy of a police state (and I realize that there similar laws in many places now).
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I don't mind wearing a Gap, American Apparel, Abercrombie or iZod shirt; if the name happens to be on it. I would not wear a D&G logo shirt for the reason that I see a stealth message in it. But that's just me. You all can wear it to your hearts content, as far as I'm concerned.


I think straight men look pretty good in D&G

Not to mention if you refuse to wear any designers clothing based on their sexual orientation you'll end up wearing clothing from Target or Gap for the rest of your life
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I think straight men look pretty good in D&G

Actually, D&G make some great suits. The logo though.... ehhh.
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Actually, D&G make some great suits. The logo though.... ehhh.
Therein lies the difference between wearing the brand and being a human billboard for a brand
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I reckon those 2 would look pretty good whatever they are wearing (or not... oooops) and a logo is just not necessary.
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