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Yes of course. It's perfectly natural. 336 89.12%
No, it's terrible to see a boob in a baby's face in public 41 10.88%
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Idiots - how do they think we managed to survive as a race for the last few hundred thousand years?
life span then was measured as 50-60 years. Now-a-days people live to 100. I am not sure this is solely represented by the first 3 years breast feeding though.
I am sure some people wish they could breast feed their entire life, but having a grown person doing that should in people is only allowed in Amsterdam I think..
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I think it's perfectly acceptable to breastfeed in public but some (especially older generations) think differently so I think it would be a good idea to do it with a certain amount of discretion ... cover it up with a towel rather than exposing your kit to everybody

Heard that in London it's not allowed in most restaurants...is that right? Might delay the next trip to the inlaws in that case.

Covering it up with a towel?! That would mean covering the baby's face, too. Silly.
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Re: [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public

"little Johnie grew up wondering why he could only eat in the dark........"
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Re: [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public

What some people may not realize is that some very strong-willed / picky babies absolutely refuse to take a bottle, and will only take their food from its original source. When you have a very young baby, it can be nurse or starve and scream!

Recently in the States a woman was kicked off a flight for nursing (albeit I grant you a somewhat older child, at 22 months). http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15720339/
Caused a huge row--women conducted nurse-ins all over airports in protest.
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Re: [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public

I personally don't think it's appropriate. Flashing your breasts in public without a baby certainly isn't - so why should it be ok with a baby?

I consider breast feeding an intimate act and as such I don't think there's any place for it in public - and most certainly not in a restaurant. Just as I don't want to see any guys exposing their chests while I'm having a beer next to it.

Anything that may offend other customers in a restaurant shouldn't be done.
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Re: [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public

Of course I don't mean a thick towel...more like a muselin...and of course not covering the baby's face, just put the musselin over the shoulder and let it hang over breast and baby allowing enough air to get in!

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Confounding actually, I have regularly seen topless bathers (women of course) at Züri lake over summer no-one seems to have a problem with that.

yeah, well - maybe that's because nobody's wearing much on the beach anyway - a restaurant is different, though IMHO.
Topless bathing isn't wanted everywhere, either, btw.
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Anything that may offend other customers in a restaurant shouldn't be done.
Like smoking, eating noisily, talking loudly and getting drunk?
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I personally don't think it's appropriate. Flashing your breasts in public without a baby certainly isn't - so why should it be ok with a baby?

I consider breast feeding an intimate act and as such I don't think there's any place for it in public - and most certainly not in a restaurant. Just as I don't want to see any guys exposing their chests while I'm having a beer next to it.

Anything that may offend other customers in a restaurant shouldn't be done.
  • talking so loudly you're practically shouting at the person opposite you
  • eating with your mouth open
  • smoking right next to someone who's eating
  • allowing your children to run amok
I could go on but I won't. Those and more are far more upsetting than a mother feeding her baby in a manner nature intended.

These are not Victorian times.
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I could go on but I won't. Those and more are far more upsetting than a mother feeding her baby in a manner nature intended.

These are not Victorian times.
  • talking so loudly you're practically shouting at the person opposite you - a matter of culture
  • eating with your mouth open - again a matter of culture
  • smoking right next to someone who's eating - agreed
  • allowing your children to run amok - agreed
It's all very subjective and based on personal preference. You for example seem to have a real hangup on smokers as you have re-iterated this point in your posts. What about allowing men to sit at a restaurant on the lakeside minus a shirt whilst you have a meal.... would you agree to this?

The breast feeding issue is taken these days (in my humble opinion) in the paradigm of the feminist movement and hence it is so controversial. I must agree that in a place such as a restaurant, there are a number of people who would take offence and this is linked to culture. In Nordic countries where the feminist movement has gained the most ground breast feeding in restaurants is now considered normal.

Nature is primal, nurture is societal (in the human context).... can we find a common ground?
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  • talking so loudly you're practically shouting at the person opposite you
  • eating with your mouth open
  • smoking right next to someone who's eating
  • allowing your children to run amok
I could go on but I won't. Those and more are far more upsetting than a mother feeding her baby in a manner nature intended.

These are not Victorian times.
True, back then, farting in public was considered ok.
Sure, breast feeding certainly is natural - but there are many other very natural things like the aforementioned farting, having sex, burping etc. etc. - many of these were considered ok in public and still are in some cultures (like burping, for example, which is practiced by some Asian cultures as a means of showing ones appreciation with the food).

And yes - I find it equally inappropriate if someone next to me smokes while I'm eating.
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Re: [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public

The key word here is feeding. That's what it is, end of story. I fed my daughter all over the place - restaurants, shopping, trains, planes, walking around.... I had her in a sling most of the time and no-one even knew what was happening. People would come up to me to have a look at the baby and then see what was happening.

Who would want to deny a baby some food and comfort when it wants it? We don't deny ourselves. And for those who say go and do it in the toilet, only if you bring your plate of food in too and join me in there.

I also think that anyone who has a problem with it is turning it into something it isn't, and that's definitely their problem, not the baby's. If people actually had a good look at women when they are breastfeeding they would see that there is actually very little to see anyway! It really is to do with the eye of the beholder and all that....
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From looking at the choices for this poll, i guess there is no common ground. Why is there no third choice like...... ok in public, but not advisable at eateries ?
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  • talking so loudly you're practically shouting at the person opposite you - a matter of culture
  • eating with your mouth open - again a matter of culture
  • smoking right next to someone who's eating - agreed
  • allowing your children to run amok - agreed
It's all very subjective and based on personal preference. You for example seem to have a real hangup on smokers as you have re-iterated this point in your posts.
actually I'm comparing what they've deemed anti-social to what I deem anti-social.

I take your matter of culture and raise you a lack of culture
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What about allowing men to sit at a restaurant on the lakeside minus a shirt whilst you have a meal.... would you agree to this?
absolutely. why not - I could be far more offended by clothes

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The breast feeding issue is taken these days (in my humble opinion) in the paradigm of the feminist movement and hence it is so controversial. I must agree that in a place such as a restaurant, there are a number of people who would take offence and this is linked to culture. In Nordic countries where the feminist movement has gained the most ground breast feeding in restaurants is now considered normal.

Nature is primal, nurture is societal (in the human context).... can we find a common ground?
Let's see - women were breast-feeding before menu cards were invented; if this woman was bottle-feeding, she would not have a problem feeding her child but she's being marginalised because she chose to breast-feed. Is that right? I don't think so.

I am simply pro-choice. Nothing more, nothing less.
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From looking at the chices for this poll, i guess there is no common ground. Why is there no third choice like...... ok in public, but not advisable at eateries ?
apply some context, Professor. Besides, by the time we've finished, we have a poll with 35 options.
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Re: [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public

Lakeside is a nasty establishment, anyway. Snob Zentrum. People now know if they go there they deserve the crap customer service they profer.

A girlfriend had a similar experience in a restaurant and was so annoyed she called all her 'Expressive' female friends and a journalist and had around 30 women piling in the next day, teats everywhere. The owner apologised and the matter resolved. Perhaps this is what Lakeside requires... haters.

Yes, boobies have a sexual element otherwise they wouldn't be external on non-Mothers, but really, get over it. Women don't feed to turn you on or to turn you off: actually, your presence is irrelevent. They're feeding their children FFS

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Re: [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public

And another thing (she says, climbing back up on her hobby horse), Why do we make it even more difficult than it already is for women to breastfeed? The UK, where the article originated, has one of the lowest rates for breastfeeding in Europe. There is enough pressure to stop (let alone start in the first place) from family, media, formula makers etc etc without having the whole thing sexualised. It's no wonder so many women don't do it or stop after a couple of weeks. The forumula companies must rub their collective hands together with glee whenever anyone is kicked out of a restaurant or off a parkbench (which happened in Norwich, UK, where I was living).
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I take your matter of culture and raise you a lack of culture
Exactly my point, culture is a very subjective thing but pervading every action we take. Example, eating with ones hands, burping after a meal, talking whist chewing etc.... all perfectly acceptable to the cultures who practice but NOT to the western world.

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why not - I could be far more offended by clothes
At least you're consistent (except with the smoking thing ) but so are places at the lakeside cos i'd get kicked out for not having a shirt
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Re: [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public

Seriously? Have you ever seen a woman breast feed? Why all this talk of having shirts off? Most breast feeding mothers wear clothing that makes it as simple as possible to take out what is necessary for the baby to feed.

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Exactly my point, culture is a very subjective thing but pervading every action we take. Example, eating with ones hands, burping after a meal, talking whist chewing etc.... all perfectly acceptable to the cultures who practice but NOT to the western world.



At least you're consistent (except with the smoking thing ) but so are places at the lakeside cos i'd get kicked out for not having a shirt
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apply some context, Professor. Besides, by the time we've finished, we have a poll with 35 options.
I thought the context was breast feeding in public and no... all we need is one more option for those who seek the middle ground (to negate any bias in the result)
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