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Old 13.03.2011, 09:10
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Re: Whining and complaining

Based on the current situation in Japan... and potentialy the world...
I think that anything we have to complain about has just become very, very, insignificant...
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Re: Whining and complaining

Someone's always got it worse than you and someone's always got it better. I like to complain a lot, and I do. But I hate telling people to suck it up or put their "big girl (big boy) panties" on because everyone needs a vent and an ear.

Sometimes life just sucks. But... then I guess you have to decide if you're going to get on with it or just lie in a pool of crap. I really like the idea of trying to be in the moment - complain about the sh*t but then flush it down Hmm... I do seem to like that toilet analogy this morning.

I don't like being pulled down into a whirlpool of misery, so I don't like to complain here a lot. But i also know that when you're miserable yourself, even looking at how bad other people have it and guilting yourself out about it doesn't provide an antidote. So you have to get it off your chest.
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Old 13.03.2011, 09:31
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Re: Whining and complaining

Lakeside,

What you see as a complain from my topic is what I see as your lack to bring into it a good contribution.

I start the thread not about moaning of how sick I am about the price here but to get a feedback of how price here compared to price over the border will affect the swiss market. You failed to see that part.

But Thank Goodness, the economic experts of this forum jumped in and made good analysis and gave good opinions about what is the reality and how things will change or not and what we can expect from it. Which you failed to do yourself but manage to complain and didn't bother to explain what you were saying, etc.

I learned a lot of things from my thread and I wouldn't have seen and understood what I did if I didn't bring it here to talk about it.

I will keep complaining and you know why? Because I can!

You don't like it? Keep walking! But you are not showing yourself in a better light to complain about complainers...
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Re: Whining and complaining

And you make a good point, Nil - sometimes you complain and get useful information as a consequence or a different solution to the problem. Well, I hope I interpreted that right.....
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Old 13.03.2011, 10:26
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I do not understand that if it is all so bad, that they do not then go back home or across the border where apparently everything is so much better.
You sound like one of these people from the Tea Party in the US: "This is America - love it or leave it! As if NO one, native or immigrant, has the right to complain about anything! *LOL*

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Sorry if I sound like the SVP.
Yup. SVP = Tea Party
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Old 13.03.2011, 11:28
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At some point, everyone needs a sympathetic ear, a sounding board, a safety valve.

At home, one has one's circle of friends and family to turn to for support. Many expats don't have that here. Many find themselves fairly isolated - whether by language, geography, social customs. For some, EF is indeed the only outlet available.

A good EF rant gets it off your chest - enabling you to keep a smile on your face in real life, as you get on with learning how to be a good Auslander.

Thank doG for the EF complaints corner!
The original idea of Complaints Corner was for a rant. My ideal of this Sub-Forum would be to post a rant, everyone who wants to can join in for precisely 24 hours, at the end of which the Thread would be ceremoniously deleted.

It doesn't help the person ranting if we all defend the status quo and it helps EF even less when the rant gets blown out of proportion to the point that those of us who were happy enough beforehand begin to feel disadvantaged too.
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Old 13.03.2011, 11:51
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Re: Whining and complaining

When one has reached the end of their rope, it's far better to get a rant out in the EF Complaints Corner than it is to wind up saying something rude or offensive to, say, some unassuming shop clerk... Just sayin'
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Yes, good complaint (ignoring the irony in it). We should all just accept everything totally without comment.

Do as you're told.

Keep quiet.

Follow the person in front.
The real irony of that is, that if you don't just accept, don't do as told, don't keep quite and always comment... that makes you French.
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Re: Whining and complaining

Totally agree about the right to complain or even have a good rant about anything, and about here in particular. When I lived in the UK all those years, I loved it - most of the time, but still complained about many aspects of life there too.
Important though to make a difference between 'upholding the status quo' - and trying to explain why things are different, here or there. As Nil said, sometimes people managed to persuade me that the 'differences' did indeed have excellent reasons- and my attitude changed. Giving a reason or an explanation does not necessarily imply a criticism - rant away.

AdrianLondon - despite being Swiss, I've never done as I was told, kept quiet or followed the person in front, I can assure you. Strangely enough, this is what attracted me to London - and yet I soon realised that some parts of English society I was 'thrown' into are much more conservative and rigid than anything I'd ever experienced in CH.
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Old 13.03.2011, 12:17
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Re: Whining and complaining

Are you calling me French? Outside, now!

Anyway ... these complaints about prices aren't that serious. We're not collating signatures to send to the IMF to demand loans, we're just finding a space on the internet to go "wow, see how much Coop charges for French chicken breasts, especially as in Basel (a) I can cycle to France in 10 minutes and buy the same stuff for half price and (b) Coop here appears to have a "French only" hiring policy".

oo - nested quotes.

Anyway, the proof that the complaints aren't that serious is that we're all still here The good outweighs the bad. For some people that balance changes, and eventually they go home or get depressed, but for some it stays heavily weighted in Switzerland's favour and they stay here happy, just occasionally posting rants about the prices of things. Cos, well, they are expensive.
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Re: Whining and complaining

Go to Florence for a change - we paid E19 for 2 black coffees in November.
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Are you calling me French? Outside, now!

Anyway ... these complaints about prices aren't that serious.
My point exactly... be careful what you wish for
The other part of your message seems very reasonable to me.
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Old 13.03.2011, 12:29
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Re: Whining and complaining

You're in Switzerland.

It's called jammern.
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Uncritical gratitude expected from those bl**dy uusländer

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Old 13.03.2011, 14:22
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Re: Whining and complaining

Not everything is more expensive here, try buying raclette in the US and see how much you pay (my sister pays about 4x what I pay). Veal is also cheaper.

And at least prices here include taxes and tips, unlike the US.

For comparison, got to Corsica or Norway. Both make Switzerland look inexpensive.

Plus, comparing prices based on the current exchange rate is nonsense. The value of the USD has halved since I moved here, so in USD terms prices here have doubled just from that, but in CHF terms they haven't changed much.

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If this really is the case then you're rather naive. Sorry but nobody ANYWHERE pays €9.50 for a simple black coffee.
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I have good news and bad news for complaining expats in Switzerland.

First the good news. There isn't a lot of things that are gravely wrong in Switzerland. It's actually a very well managed place. There is relatively little crime, and the standard of living is very high. The economy is one of the best in the world, and its long traditions of liberty and fairness is extended to anyone who happens to be here.

Now, the bad news. Most of the problems experienced by complaining expats is actually with them. For the most part, complaining expats in Switzerland are simply coming to terms with the realities of life in this country. This process is evidently not always a smooth one for many people. It is similar to a birthing or a teething process little babies go through. Simply, they cry about things.




There isn't anything wrong with crying babies per se. It is a sign of a healthy baby struggling to learn how to deal and communicate in the new world they find themselves in. Over time, they adjust and develop, and learn how to deal. And I am confident that those expats who intend to stay longer will also go through the same process to maturity. So in due time, you too will learn how to manage yourselves. In the meantime, please try to go through your potty training as soon as possible.

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I find it annoying that people who have come to Switzerland because they like the country/want to earn more etc. are constantly complaining about the cost of things. To these I would like to say: look around you and try to enjoy the many advantages you have instead.

I do not understand that if it is all so bad, that they do not then go back home or across the border where apparently everything is so much better.

To the complaints around lack/cost of accomodation, I agree and we all suffer under these ridiculous prices, but they do not seem to realise that they themselves are contributing to the increased cost of accomodation in places such as in Zurich and in Geneva by all coming here. Sorry if I sound like the SVP.
i.e. if you don't like it here you can go home.
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If this really is the case then you're rather naive. Sorry but nobody ANYWHERE pays €9.50 for a simple black coffee.
We did query the bill - the waiter said we were very lucky there was no musician or it would have been E3 dearer each!
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Old 13.03.2011, 22:15
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I have good news and bad news for complaining expats in Switzerland.

First the good news. There isn't a lot of things that are gravely wrong in Switzerland. It's actually a very well managed place. There is relatively little crime, and the standard of living is very high. The economy is one of the best in the world, and its long traditions of liberty and fairness is extended to anyone who happens to be here.

Now, the bad news. Most of the problems experienced by complaining expats is actually with them. For the most part, complaining expats in Switzerland are simply coming to terms with the realities of life in this country. This process is evidently not always a smooth one for many people. It is similar to a birthing or a teething process little babies go through. Simply, they cry about things.




There isn't anything wrong with crying babies per se. It is a sign of a healthy baby struggling to learn how to deal and communicate in the new world they find themselves in. Over time, they adjust and develop, and learn how to deal. And I am confident that those expats who intend to stay longer will also go through the same process to maturity. So in due time, you too will learn how to manage yourselves. In the meantime, please try to go through your potty training as soon as possible.
I think you should go back to look at some of your thread.... Apparently you got your share of potty training yourself.... Do you see yourself as full trained?
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