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Old 19.03.2011, 23:29
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Get out the violins ..
when I first went to London £1 = CHF 10. My salary was £11.50, my digs £7.00 and the bus pass about £3.00. Used to survive by picking wild mushrooms, chestnuts and blackberries in Richmond Park, and 'begging' for fruit and veg from neighbours lol - never asked for a penny from my parents or anybody else either.
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Old 19.03.2011, 23:35
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I know that one... when I moved from England to Switzerland, I went from a mortgage of about 700 CHF per month to rent of more than 2000 CHF per month.

And I experienced a drop in my salary.

Ouch.
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Old 19.03.2011, 23:41
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I want to complain in the strongest possible terms about the people who come on the EF and do nothing but complain about the people who come on the EF and do nothing but complain.

If you don't like reading complaints threads on the EF, nobody is forcing you to read them! Why not just go back to your own Forum if you hate it so much!

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There is a choice. I have it with JFK who once said "what is needed are three things : Tolerance Tolerance Tolerance . But of course, many people rather believe in the wisdom of Josip Vissarionovitch Dshugashvili who said "what is needed are 3 things : weapons, weapons, weapons "
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Old 19.03.2011, 23:41
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Get out the violins ..
when I first went to London £1 = CHF 10. My salary was £11.50, my digs £7.00 and the bus pass about £3.00. Used to survive by picking wild mushrooms, chestnuts and blackberries in Richmond Park, and 'begging' for fruit and veg from neighbours lol - never asked for a penny from my parents or anybody else either.
which clearly shows the U.K. not to have been or to be a "cheap place" unless it gets compared with a country with a ridiculously overvalued currency (only kept halfway in check by interventions of the central bank)
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Old 19.03.2011, 23:51
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You sorry saps.





When I moved here, I thought I sold my house in California at peak. But it nearly doubled after I moved.

But then it crashed.

And I am simply glad I didn't have to put up with all the Islamaphobic/Terrorism hysteria on Fox News.

In the end... win-win.

It's never too late losers!
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Old 20.03.2011, 00:43
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...And I am simply glad I didn't have to put up with all the Islamaphobic/Terrorism hysteria on Fox News...




...need I go on? I really should go to bed and haven't really got time to find another "irony" image...
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...need I go on?


Hey, do PM me if you should find a better place, please. Until then....

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Hey, do PM me if you should find a better place, please. Until then....
Found one!

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Old 20.03.2011, 09:57
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It is acceptable to have a different opinion, Carlos R, but it is not acceptable to misquote anyone on purpose.
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It is acceptable to have a different opinion, Carlos R, but it is not acceptable to misquote anyone on purpose.
I didn't misquote you, I paraphrased you.

HTH
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Hey, do PM me if you should find a better place, please. Until then....
Don't call the cops on me, but

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Found one!

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Is that Scotland?

Where centuries old religious wars are played out in the disguise of football teams, and people are still beaten and murdered for their religon?

You know, Switzerland got over that savagery in like 1850, and so is a more advanced society in that sense by about 160 years.

But if that doesn't bother you, I suppose the view of that loch can be used to reminisce about the lake of Zurich.
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Don't call the cops on me, but

Is that Prague? The land of the bohemians? The beautiful people?

The land of the eternal summer of 69. Ah yes, the promise of free love, beer, tie dyed shirts, white people with dreadlocks, and lost Americans.

That is all fine and dandy when one is young with no money, and searching for oneself. but what if one already knows oneself, and has a mission and purpose in life? how can you possibly do it there when there are no jobs?
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Old 20.03.2011, 14:45
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Hey, do PM me if you should find a better place, please. Until then....

We all have different references, I like to Switzerland due to :
- well structured / organized
- clean
- high degree of self responsibility
- ...and of course financially (which is only true if you're a single man without no children working at CS.)

But I also like...
- modesty
- friendliness
- self-objectivity
- patience
- humour
- solidarity
- equality
- regretfulness

The Switzerland is top notch with the "hard" factors, but when it comes to soft human factors they have a long way to go...


I will probably get 100s of "gtfo", "if you don't like it here go home..." etc, that is all fine, but it will not probably not change anything because what comes around goes around...

note: this is complaints corner, if you as a swiss or swiss fan boy and can't take criticism you better stay out, people need to vent...so let them without name calling etc.
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Old 20.03.2011, 14:56
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But I also like...
- modesty
- friendliness
- self-objectivity
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- regretfulness
You like regretfulness?
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Old 20.03.2011, 14:59
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I didn't misquote you, I paraphrased you.

HTH
The top of the line clearly says "quote", so you misquoted.
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The top of the line clearly says "quote", so you misquoted.
Where did he misquote you?
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Old 20.03.2011, 15:10
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There is a fallacy in ranting about "prices" in Switzerland. The rants occur because prices are compared to other countries' prices in a different currency (EUR, USD, GBP). The CHF is strong so prices here appear abnormally high for the same goods. If the CHF were to fall, then the rants would disappear.

If one is paid in CHF, then nothing changes for that person whether the other currency rises or falls; prices in CHF stays the same. So if an item appears to be expensive because it takes a significant amount of income then one uses a value judgment ("I need it so I will buy petrol, food, and health insurance. I don't need it so I will pass on the LV bag.")

So my philosophy is if one has the chance to buy something cheap in another country, then just do it. If not, then just be glad that one has enough disposable income to live fine here and stop comparing prices like a newbie expat!
I am sorry, but I take it that you do not work in finance or trading? Most good in Switzerland are imported. If the CHF is strong, it should get cheaper to import them and the prices should drop. As we all see, they don't. Blaming this on a strong currency is rubbish - the opposite is true: If your currency is weak, imported goods are expensive.

The reasons why things are so expensive in Switzerland are:
- lack of competition. In many fields, the Swiss market is simply not as competitive as other countries. I have myself worked at a telephone company in a position where I made prices for my products. While there are Swisscom, Sunrise and Orange - none of them really tries to attack the very high prices here and prefers to cash in on their market share. Same is true for many other services.
- marketing managers screwing us: By now are products hardly ever priced based on costs. How much is it to produce an iPod? The product will simply cost what the marketing department decides is the best price point: The ideal point between the amount you sell and the margin you make. Thanks to the Internet is it fairly easy today to compare prices in various countries and it is easy to see that marketing departments rightfully assume that Swiss are less price sensitive than others - so the prices are high.
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