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Old 20.03.2011, 15:11
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You like regretfulness?
by that I ment, I like people who can say sorry when they did something not correct, I also like people who can stand for their mistakes and errors which is seldom the case here, I have never got an excuse in Switzerland without having to fight for it....
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Old 20.03.2011, 15:17
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I am sorry, but I take it that you do not work in finance or trading? Most good in Switzerland are imported. If the CHF is strong, it should get cheaper to import them and the prices should drop. As we all see, they don't. Blaming this on a strong currency is rubbish - the opposite is true: If your currency is weak, imported goods are expensive.

The reasons why things are so expensive in Switzerland are:
- lack of competition. In many fields, the Swiss market is simply not as competitive as other countries. I have myself worked at a telephone company in a position where I made prices for my products. While there are Swisscom, Sunrise and Orange - none of them really tries to attack the very high prices here and prefers to cash in on their market share. Same is true for many other services.
- marketing managers screwing us: By now are products hardly ever priced based on costs. How much is it to produce an iPod? The product will simply cost what the marketing department decides is the best price point: The ideal point between the amount you sell and the margin you make. Thanks to the Internet is it fairly easy today to compare prices in various countries and it is easy to see that marketing departments rightfully assume that Swiss are less price sensitive than others - so the prices are high.
so true, when the dollar is strong US goods are getting more expensive, when the dollar is weak, the swiss prices stays the same... business model a'la swiss...

and how about this one, you buy a new car, you get an insurance for lets say 2'000CHF / year. So when you have an accident with the new car you will get reimbursed for a new car...

After 10 years, you still pay 2'000 CHF / month for the same car, BUT if you have an accident then you will get reimbursed for the value of a 10 year old car...

Biggest insurance scam ever...once again business model a'la swiss...
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Old 20.03.2011, 15:22
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Don't call the cops on me, but

In the run for the most beautiful city of Europe, THIS city for sure would be the frontrunner, possibly challenged by these ones





Budapest

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Colmar


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Old 20.03.2011, 15:25
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by that I ment, I like people who can say sorry when they did something not correct, I also like people who can stand for their mistakes and errors which is seldom the case here, I have never got an excuse in Switzerland without having to fight for it....
True, but I do not think this is an isolated Swiss issue, this is seen amongst all nationalities (although more here than elsewhere, I suppose)
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Old 20.03.2011, 15:26
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...also the richest "men" in Switzerland are car importers, a bunch of productive guys...thanks to the parallel import law...GJ Suisse!!!
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In the run for the most beautiful city of Europe, THIS city for sure would be the frontrunner, possibly challenged by these ones


[lots of pictures of rather mundane cities in Europe]
Nah. The most beautiful city in Europe is this one:

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Old 20.03.2011, 15:29
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You like regretfulness?
The appropriate answer to this here






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Old 20.03.2011, 15:30
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True, but I do not think this is an isolated Swiss issue, this is seen amongst all nationalities (although more here than elsewhere, I suppose)
Yes of course there are other places where you have these "qualities",
but we are discussing Switzerland is this forum, but anyway I would expect that with so HIGH quality of life people to be more joyful and relaxed, it does not fit, people here are sad, serious, angry, depressive etc, how can this be?
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Old 20.03.2011, 15:32
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Nah. The most beautiful city in Europe is this one:


I might advocate moving the Capital of Europe from mediocre Brussels to Istanbul
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Old 20.03.2011, 15:34
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Where did he misquote you?
The starting post was misquoted or based on the response, the interpretation or "paraphrase" was added as a "quote" when it was not. Again, different opinions are fine, but I thought it was part of the use of the forum to keep things above board and at least play fair if not be civil with one another.
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a bit more whining
His intention was clear, and the insertion of a brief (and often humourous) summary of the contents of a long post in the 'quote' box is quite common practice on the English Forum - and has been for years.

Looks like you'll just have to get used to it.
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so true, when the dollar is strong US goods are getting more expensive, when the dollar is weak, the swiss prices stays the same... business model a'la swiss...
Wait a minute: the system is called capitalism. Why would a business man not make a profit where he can? Maximizing profit is his job. He does it, that's part of capitalism, quite essential one. Swiss or not Swiss is far less relevant than the fact that you are addressing the very vast and interesting topic of capitalism. As a capitalist client, I have the choice to shop elsewhere, when I can. Or not shop at all. I have no shame to say that I buy books online and clothes in Germany, and I buy other things in Switzerland. That is also an essential part of capitalism: competition. Your shopping habits would be different but somehow you manage to find your own mix of national and international suppliers where you can, don't you? I am being a capitalism client, and they are being capitalist business people. Saving money where one can is nice as client, but making profit where one can is not bad either as entrepreneur. Where exactly is the problem?
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Old 20.03.2011, 16:08
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Wait a minute: the system is called capitalism. Why would a business man not make a profit where he can? Maximizing profit is his job. He does it, that's part of capitalism, quite essential one. Swiss or not Swiss is far less relevant than the fact that you are addressing the very vast and interesting topic of capitalism. As a capitalist client, I have the choice to shop elsewhere, when I can. Or not shop at all. I have no shame to say that I buy books online and clothes in Germany, and I buy other things in Switzerland. That is also an essential part of capitalism: competition. Your shopping habits would be different but somehow you manage to find your own mix of national and international suppliers where you can, don't you? I am being a capitalism client, and they are being capitalist business people. Saving money where one can is nice as client, but making profit where one can is not bad either as entrepreneur. Where exactly is the problem?
well the problem is the parallel import law....which eliminate the competition in many aspects...I just feel that it is quite radical to have to go abroad to be able to get fair prices...and yes I import mostly consumer products, and thanks to Lidl and Aldi I don't even go to Germany anymore!
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well the problem is the parallel import law....which eliminate the competition in many aspects...I just feel that it is quite radical to have to go abroad to be able to get fair prices...and yes I import mostly consumer products, and thanks to Lidl and Aldi I don't even go to Germany anymore!
Two interesting words here:
- parallel import. The Swiss consumer associations have been fighting against it for as long as I can remember watching Swiss TV. No very successful, I support this fight, you too obviously.
- fair price. Quite a new concept in capitalism, as fair implies morals. Since Das Kapital, we all have understood that morality is not part of the plan in a market economy (the book is apparently on the Harvard reading list, so I've been told). Fair implies therefore a definition of fairness, and I tend like you to define as a consumer, because I am one. But I am aware of the fact that all parts in the market economy are playing with words of definitions. And get their own interests first. What does that have to do with morals? Nothing, that's the point. Even if it should.
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Old 20.03.2011, 16:28
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Is that Prague? The land of the bohemians? The beautiful people?

The land of the eternal summer of 69. Ah yes, the promise of free love, beer, tie dyed shirts, white people with dreadlocks, and lost Americans.

That is all fine and dandy when one is young with no money, and searching for oneself. but what if one already knows oneself, and has a mission and purpose in life? how can you possibly do it there when there are no jobs?
It was a summer of 68, since summer 1969 we got some lovely visit from our Big Brother on many tanks...Yanks weren't lost. We have thousands, they are not as lost as one might think.

You can love that place even if you are grown up, know yourself and have a mission. Actually, that place offers a lot for those. Not that much cash, for that I would say CH is better, cleaner, more linguistically equipped, but everything else.......aaaah, there is still Prague.

There always are jobs.

Anyways, this thread is interesting, don't mean to steal the CH spotlight and move it to Bohemia Besides, I am sure expats there have their own gripes, I had to deal with my bandmates and friends constantly whining there, too, hahaha.

CH kicks ass, it's ok to have a few things that need to be refined and tuned...A bit of whining might serve that purpose.
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If the CHF is strong, it should get cheaper to import them and the prices should drop. As we all see, they don't. Blaming this on a strong currency is rubbish - the opposite is true: If your currency is weak, imported goods are expensive.
Well, there is a lag depending on how efficient the market is. In any case, I am not "blaming" on the strength of a currency; my point was that given that your income is steady and prices are steady, then there is not a strong reason to complain. If prices appear to drop in other places, then as I said previously, take advantage of going across the border. Typical examples for me are the US and UK where the $ and £ have dropped a lot. I now enjoy shopping there. But I do not envy their prices, nor do I complain about Swiss prices.
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Istanbul; My love and my blood...




Barcelona; my mistress...

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And what about S<automoderated>horpe?



or Widnes?

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...complaining whine about whining complaints...
Observation of irony
Bleat
Explanation
Bleat... bleat...
Question
a bit more whining
Clarification
What he said.

Now, could you imagine how tediously long such a post would have been if I'd included every "quoted" post verbatim?

HTH

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Bern? message too short
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