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Im a brit from essex .........im used to people hating me
Ahh, you must feel positively adored here then!
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:16
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So I didn't speak any German to any of the strangers I encountered in my daily life. I was still my friendly, helpful self, just in English.

Guess what, people were STILL nice to me, still smiled when I smiled first, still helped me when I asked them something.
Maybe you were still wearing your typical Swiss Heidi costume ?
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Re: Damn I hate this country

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Enjoy yourselves.
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:18
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Re: damn i hate this country

The culture is undoubtedly quite unique here. Best bet to relieve any frustrations is to take a trip - doesn't really matter where - just get 'off the island' for a while. Starting with the neighbours - Germany, Italy, France all very different to dear old Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera.

Right now I am appreciating Switzerland more than ever - to live in a country that [for now] is not being forced into making budget cutbacks in public services and infrastructure, that is not being plagued with general strikes, is not subject to violent street protests, and where there are still jobs for the young is worth a lot. That goes a long way to making up for deficiencies in terms of the cost of living, limited social interaction and climate.
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:20
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Lets use this to get all frustration out with this hole of a country.

I hate every single second i am here,
I hate the people
I hate the system
i hate the police
I hate everything about it.
you get ripped off every single second you are here
yes you earn more but prices do not equate that into buying power

yes you might say, move the hell out, well current situation does not allow for that....so no. If I could I would be long gone and NEVER come back to this HOLE.
That's pretty much how I felt while spending 10 months in Ohio. After that, moving here was pure bliss!

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Old 17.03.2011, 09:21
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Re: Damn I hate this country

To the OP, out of interest, if you could where would you move and why?
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:26
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Re: Damn I hate this country

I've never had negative feelings as strongly as the OP's about Switzerland but this is the COMPLAINTS CORNER and however much Swiss on here would love to defend their country, the idea was that this zone was for letting off steam.

If expats want to commiserate or say that they no longer/not yet feel like that that's OK, but Swiss, or happily integrated foreigners, trying to convince an unhappy alien living here that the natives are friendly and it is a wonderful country and that he should change his attitude just doesn't help him at the moment.

Economisto - you have my sympathy. I, too, have picked up my fair share of groans from folk without our genuine Brit humour.
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:27
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Lets use this to get all frustration out with this hole of a country.

I hate every single second i am here,
I hate the people
I hate the system
i hate the police
I hate everything about it.
you get ripped off every single second you are here
yes you earn more but prices do not equate that into buying power
one could write/feel this just about anywhere if they aren't happy!
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:33
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Economisto - you have my sympathy. I, too, have picked up my fair share of groans from folk without our genuine Brit humour.

'tis true, 'tis true. Context, as always, is king. Anyway, I'm in Switzerland because I like it. Right, I'm walking to Schober and getting myself a bircher muesli and a black coffee. Later peeps.
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:34
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After your first immigration phase in Switzerland ( honeymoon phase ), you are passing through the second phase of immigration ( cultural shock ). What you feel is perfectly normal.

Now you have 2 main options.

1. Go back home, you'll find you feel good back at home much better than before, and then this bad experience in CH will serve you to appreciate more your own. You'll be happier as before.

2. Stay, endure this phase, sooner or later you'll go to the third phase of immigration ( regression phase ) .

Now, think carefully before taking option 2.

The third phase is what most people in this forum is living, that is to live in a foreing country but within their own cultural ghetto. Or maybe a multicultural meltpot where you probably are, disconnected with Switzerland but living in it ( in English, Flemish or Spanish ).

If luckily during that phase you have found your "prosthetic family and friends", you'll pass this phase with ease, and then without noticing you'll be in the 4th phase (recovery phase) this is the most dangerous. Dangerous because you'll feel you have finally adapted yourself to the place, you'll feel content and integrated. You are at home at last in CH ! ( and this phase can last many years )

But this is a false ilusion, sooner or later you'd fall into the 5th phase ( reverse cultural shock ), That is when you go back home and you find yourself disliking your own culture and country and wanting to come back to CH

The real problem lies here, when come back "home" but you slowly realise that even if you feel at home here, you are in fact disconnected from the place, their people and their culture, and you'll realise also that you'll never be really "integrated", but also that going back home is not an option anymore.....
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:35
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Re: Damn I hate this country

We all have choices and options... It`s just whether or not we choose to use them... changing a situation may not be easy, and we may have to give something up to gain what we ultimately want, but it can be done... (i.e. money, power, position, .... love...)

OP, i am certainly not discounting your situation, as only you know your current situtation... However, many people choose to stay in a place, a job, a relationship, for money, love, or other tangibles... and remain unhappy and unfulfilled...

I have stayed at jobs I hated, and justified it with money, position, etc. But in the end, I left anyway and after some adjustment time, everything was back on track.

Good luck in figuring it out, and if it is really a problem, I would like to reccommend that you find a professional (accountant, doctor, life-coach, etc.) to discuss it with.

All you will find here is opinion and conjecture... Both good and bad...
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:40
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I don't want to presume too much, but I think the OP's feelings are as much based on where he is in his life, as well as physical location. As some of us have said, we've had very similar feelings in different places. I really used to piss people off when I would rant about Chapel Hill. Mostly I felt trapped, and I associated the being trapped with the place, but it had a lot to do with my attitude and our circumstances. But that may be different for others.

So yeah you need to vent, and figure out what will work for you. For us, it was time, some new experiences and an opportunity to shift our focus. But the truth is, even after living in North Carolina for nearly 12 years, when my husband had a chance to come here, I was ready to pack our bags in a second. And while it's not been totally easy, it's been better in many ways than we expected.

SOmetimes you can adjust, sometimes situations are so full of negative signals you can't.

Anyway, I hope you're able to change things soon - I know how awful this really can be.
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Old 17.03.2011, 09:47
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In my Fasnacht clique there is a Swiss guy who is living in the UK for 40 years and comes to Basel only for Fasnacht. He told me he could not imagine living in Switzerland - finds it too miserable. I mentioned there are expats who think the same as he does but about the UK.

In the end it is horses for courses and you make the best of wherever you happen to be.

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Old 17.03.2011, 10:04
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There are times when I love Switzerland and times when I hate it here. Sometimes I wish it could just sit in the middle being average and okay all the time...but then I'd just be back in the mighty UK again
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Old 17.03.2011, 10:08
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Homesick..for Belgium? I rather stay here then going back there in fairness..

The grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank , untill you are there..you will get p'd off with things and want to move again..every country has its good and bad things.
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Old 17.03.2011, 10:16
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Homesick..for Belgium? I rather stay here then going back there in fairness..

The grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank , untill you are there..you will get p'd off with things and want to move again..every country has its good and bad things.
Amen to that... Not to mention every State, City, and neighborhood...
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Just for the other side of the coin: upon my triumphant return to my motherland from the benighted Orient, I found myself working for the most miserable pair of Swiss you could ever hope to meet, who, for reasons which I still don't entirely understand, had chosen to start an English language school in a sodden, bleak village in the north of England.

Day in, day out they moaned about the country to which I had been overjoyed to return. The food was dreadful, the people barbaric, the weather atrocious, the bureaucracy a nightmare. On and on and on they moaned, endlessly. They would hang up on my friends who called (it was a residential school - more of a hippy commune than a school, to be honest), because they had failed to state their surnames clearly at the beginning of the call. They berated me for making too much noise when I ate. They criticised my cooking for being 'too English'.

I didn't really enjoy their company very much, and was glad to leave when I saw an opportunity (the boss bursting into my bedroom while I was sleeping to have a go about some petty transgression or other really was the final straw), but much as they got on my nerves, I understood that what they were doing was entirely natural. If it really got too much, it was only a 20 yard crawl to the nearest pub where I could stand amongst my countrymen and have a good moan about "those miserable Swiss", before going back into the House of Misery. For them to do the same would have entailed a long trip home via Manchester airport.

I didn't feel the need to take it personally and be rude to them just because they were unhappy and a long way away from home: I'd been in their shoes myself just a few months before.

Who would have thought I'd end up in a country full of the buggers, though, eh?
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Re: damn i hate this country

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The man is miserable, angry, frustrated and clearly homesick.

Any chance we could cut him some slack?

If you're Swiss, I'm sure you can cope with one foreigner hating you just this week?

If you're not Swiss, surely you've been there yourself at some time or other?

Must we always take everything personally?
Not to mention that he has at least followed Forum etiquette and correctly vented his frustrations in the "Complaints corner".

Besides, the OP is clearly just frustrated.

It's not likely he's going to strap an explosive to his chest and run into the local Kreisbüro....... I mean, this is Switzerland.... he'd have to make an appointment first.
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Old 17.03.2011, 10:44
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you get ripped off every single second you are here
yes you earn more but prices do not equate that into buying power
If you really want to be ripped of every tenth of a second then I really can recommend you a move to Denmark . The Danish system will love to rip you off even more.

(Yes, I am from Denmark )
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Re: Damn I hate this country

Am very glad to have stumbled across this post.. Am very glad to know that my occasional hatred for all things Swiss is somewhat normal.. It really does fluctuate from day to day here. One day i think that is great to live and other days I hate every single thing about this place.

Had a brief moment like that this morning when dealing with my Swiss colleague who is the moodiest bitch I have ever met! At first i was too afraid to speak up about her behavior, me being an 'auslander' and all but now I give it right back to her and she gets back into her box very quickly...
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Also have those 'hate Switzerland moments when people stare at you so much here... WTF is that about??
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