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Old 22.03.2011, 12:02
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you know how it is with emotional letters, emails etc. take a day off before writing it..i did.. and still feel angry.

it is because on Monday morning i had to drive my GF to the airport in Basel. we stayed at a friens place in Basel and got up 4.30 am as her plane was leaving 6.30 am. i was up to this point always taking the train from Zurich but this time i had a friends car with Schwyzer plate. as dont know the way, i had my iphone handed over to my GF with the route on it. soon as we hit the route i noticed i can switch off the fon as the signs said how to go, but at one roundabout it wasnt clear. so a bit abruptly i steered into the right diversion. a copper car soon approached me saying: stop n take over. for some reason i dont know, maybe in the awaiting of being called out of the car or the freedom to reach for my papers i had loosen my seatbelt. ok, copper Ueli and training copper boy Beat popped by at my window n asked for papers n stuff.
i handed it over, and he started: you didnt use the indicator in that roundabout when you left it and you dont have a fastened seatbelt?!
i said: well, its 5.10 am in the morning, i am tired, i am not familiar with the city, i have to get the plane..and its no valid point but its no traffic going...so...the seatbelt i took off for inspection, just a reaction, dunno why...

he took papers, switched back n forth in his fine catalogue and gave me a 200 chf fine.

wtf? where is the common sense? why for once cant he say: ok, mate, normally i have to fine you, pay attention, use the bloody indicator and do not undo your setabelt before being asked. have a safe trip.

the indicator-incident...i do understand bits of it that he had to stop me. but the belt-thing...honestly...wtf?

to me this country is so anti-minded about cars, so faschist with its bloody rules...it is ridiculous...
I think you were actually quite lucky as 200 chf for a fine is not that bad here. This place has 120 CHF fines for going 6-10km over the speed limit.

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Old 22.03.2011, 12:06
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Yea but from "his" point of view, he found him without seatbelt
he started: you didnt use the indicator in that roundabout when you left it and you dont have a fastened seatbelt?!
Technically wrong... did the officer see him drive without a seat belt?

No. He saw him stationary without a seatbelt and made the assumption that he had been driving without a seatbelt fastened.

Unfortunately it is his word against a policeman's and unless you are going to make a big deal of it, you'd just have to let it slide.

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In fact I don`t reckon that failure to indicate is a transgression of the Highway Code.
Really? That's what they teach learners and is one of the fundamental differences between UK vs. CH roundabout "proceedure". Failure to indicate on exiting a roundabout is an offence AFAIK, although logically, I can't see why, as indicating to exit while staying on the roundabout would be more dangerous IMO.

Nevertheless I do think context has been lost. If there was no one else on the roundabout, the policeman was being an officious jerk.
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Old 22.03.2011, 12:40
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Re: We love (your) Fränklies!

You've been really unlucky. The majority of drivers here don't use their indicators when exiting a roundabout.
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Old 22.03.2011, 12:47
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Re: We love (your) Fränklies!

I think I am the only one using indicators in my neck of the woods, even hb laughs at me and begs me to quit it...I will do it, though, just a habit (I think it's a good one).

Honestly, cops are usually nice here (minus the one that gave me that damn parking ticket yesterday). 200fr is a chunk of cash, but for cops dealing with fine, not so much. They just had to stick to their rules, weren't gona embarrass eachother by letting you go, sounds to me.

On that note, you do not want to be stopped by US police. Some countries just do not deal with any chaufeurs' excuses, whatsoever.
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Old 22.03.2011, 13:05
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Thanks to EF it has now been confirmed that replies like "I was too tired/sleepy/distracted to follow the rules when driving" or in other cases, "I was driving too fast to see the speed signs", that some other people have tried to use, are generally not considered acceptable excuses.
Don't forget the "I'm too expert a driver to pay attention to speed limits" gag, as if observing the speedometer is for numpties. It gets trotted out more often than 'where to buy brown sugar'.

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Old 22.03.2011, 13:17
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Re: We love (your) Fränklies!

What's this about a quota then?

Getting me paranoid eveytime I see the fuzz now!
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Old 22.03.2011, 13:25
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Re: We love (your) Fränklies!

Those early flights are "cheap" but a right pain the backside. And Fr 200 is heavy, but for 2 items maybe it was cheap?

I once appealed a heavy speeding fine in Bern. The bar steward reduced the probation time but doubled the cash fine AND added CHF 350 costs.

I think most people are in a better mood after lunch, and me, being smug now, always tries to fly in the afternoon when possible.
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Old 22.03.2011, 13:25
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What's this about a quota then?

Getting me paranoid eveytime I see the fuzz now!

Its a common belief (mostly false) that police officers are required to pull over or fine X number of people per month. Its supposed to lead to a large amount of fines at the end of a month for policemen who are looking for any reason to get extra numbers and meet that quota deadline.

Of course now a lot of people who get pulled over (even in the middle of the month) blame the ticket on an overzealous policeman who was out to get them!
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Old 22.03.2011, 13:25
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This place has 120 CHF fines for going 6-10km over the speed limit.
No, it doesn't. 120 is for ten or over. I know, I have a collection of the lower ones.

Fact is:
- I did something similar in Austria (wasn't aware that you have to have your lights on during day) - the cop would let you go with a warning.
- I did something similar in Germany (could not find the emergency stuff like the triangle when I was inspected). Cop was a completely annoying idiot who was frustrated that the alcohol test of mine wasn't positive... so he searched and found something to complain about - but he let me go with a warning.
- I did something similar in the Netherlands...
- ...

It is only Switzerland where cops would never ever turn a blind eye to the really minor stuff. I am not against traffic laws and I would actually be willing to spend a bit more taxes if they'd replace all speed cameras with some more patrols that take out people who actually drive dangerously - but the attitude of the average traffic cop is really annoying here.
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Old 22.03.2011, 13:29
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Re: We love (your) Fränklies!

Advice: Never use the word "Fränkli" (see the title of the thread) in front of a Swiss, be that a cop or anybody else.

Most foreigners with some basic knowledge of Swiss German know that there is a diminutive form for just about everything. It's roughly the same as in Greek, but Swiss German has diminutives even for verbs (!).

However, the diminutive of "Franken" has to be handled with utter caution. You may say, "Ich gang doch nöd go schtriite wäge zweihundert Fränkli", meaning, "I'm not going to argue over 200 Fränkli" in the sense of "a measly 200 Francs." That's pretty much the only legitimate use of the term. Please totally avoid things like, "Die Woche isch dä Artikel zwanzg Fränkli billiger" ("This week, the article is 20 Fränkli cheaper"). Believe me, you won't sell it even if it is 100 Fränkli cheaper, because you sound downright silly.

Saying "Fränkli und Räppli" is even worse. It means you are an a$$h0le that has no idea of the culture and language but stubbornly tries to sound funny. It's as if a foreigner in the UK sayd, "God shave the Queen."

By the way, there are several cops in my neighborhood, and two of my relatives are cops too. I've never heard of a quota. I'm sure a quota would be an extremely questionable thing from a legal point of view.
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Its a common belief (mostly false) that police officers are required to pull over or fine X number of people per month. Its supposed to lead to a large amount of fines at the end of a month for policemen who are looking for any reason to get extra numbers and meet that quota deadline.

Of course now a lot of people who get pulled over (even in the middle of the month) blame the ticket on an overzealous policeman who was out to get them!
Getting less paranoid now....

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- I did something similar in Austria (wasn't aware that you have to have your lights on during day)
Is this the same for Switzerland too?
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Old 22.03.2011, 14:05
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Is this the same for Switzerland too?
Thats a tricky question and has been discussed quite a bit here. I think that someone posted the official law and it states that you should drive with the lights on but officially you don't have to. I guess since its not so clear, the enforceability is also dependent on situation and policeman.

Generally, i drive around town without the lights off, if I am going on the highway where i may be in a tunnel, i try to put them on
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Old 22.03.2011, 14:12
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No, it doesn't. 120 is for ten or over. I know, I have a collection of the lower ones.
Yes, if the camera records you going 11-15 kph over the limit. 5 kph are subtracted from the total for calibration errors thus "officially" the range is 6-10kph.
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Old 22.03.2011, 14:14
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Advice: Never use the word "Fränkli" (see the title of the thread) in front of a Swiss, be that a cop or anybody else.

Most foreigners with some basic knowledge of Swiss German know that there is a diminutive form for just about everything. It's roughly the same as in Greek, but Swiss German has diminutives even for verbs (!).

However, the diminutive of "Franken" has to be handled with utter caution. You may say, "Ich gang doch nöd go schtriite wäge zweihundert Fränkli", meaning, "I'm not going to argue over 200 Fränkli" in the sense of "a measly 200 Francs." That's pretty much the only legitimate use of the term. Please totally avoid things like, "Die Woche isch dä Artikel zwanzg Fränkli billiger" ("This week, the article is 20 Fränkli cheaper"). Believe me, you won't sell it even if it is 100 Fränkli cheaper, because you sound downright silly.

Saying "Fränkli und Räppli" is even worse. It means you are an a$$h0le that has no idea of the culture and language but stubbornly tries to sound funny. It's as if a foreigner in the UK sayd, "God shave the Queen."

By the way, there are several cops in my neighborhood, and two of my relatives are cops too. I've never heard of a quota. I'm sure a quota would be an extremely questionable thing from a legal point of view.
i used the word simply to highlight the stupidness of said copper and the strange relationship CH to money for everything. i am not complaining. i live here (by choice), i like it here, but the stubbornness of the official side and the fetish, lust of said people...that they have or get out of excel the laws, rights, rules is out of the normal world i used to live in. i know its not fränkli, but stutz.

2 things you learn pretty quick: there is no fränkli and no zürIcher.
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i used the word simply to highlight the stupidness of said copper and the strange relationship CH to money for everything. i am not complaining. i live here (by choice), i like it here, but the stubbornness of the official side and the fetish, lust of said people...that they have or get out of excel the laws, rights, rules is out of the normal world i used to live in. i know its not fränkli, but stutz.

2 things you learn pretty quick: there is no fränkli and no zürIcher.
Simply accept it as part of the Swiss tradition. They did the same at the mountain passes for thousands of years. Back then they called it "waylaying", now either "hotel", "restaurant" or "traffic police"...
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so faschist with its bloody rules...it is ridiculous...
What's far more ridiculous is the connection to faschism you are making.
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What's far more ridiculous is the connection to faschism you are making.
Both of you misspelling fascism is actually the most ridiculous part...

"Fasces", as in "the thing on the St Gallen flag"...

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Old 22.03.2011, 17:54
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Thats a tricky question and has been discussed quite a bit here. I think that someone posted the official law and it states that you should drive with the lights on but officially you don't have to. I guess since its not so clear, the enforceability is also dependent on situation and policeman.

Generally, i drive around town without the lights off, if I am going on the highway where i may be in a tunnel, i try to put them on
Really? There used to be signs everywhere saying "switch of your lights" especially after tunnels; come to think of it I have not seen any for a while.
Fashions come & go I suppose
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no no no! its not the i dont know i did something wrong!
it is that the circumstances could lead to the point of understanding
and a simple "dont do that again" wouldnt have done it.

you know...similar situation in the US: i crossed a red light and the cop was observing it. i saw the beacon, stopped, put the hands where he could see them and had the window already down n said: excuse me, officer, i noticed it but...he: your obviously foreign. please drive carefully and pay a bit more attention. safe trip.

whereas i was aware being tasered and got ready for face facing concrete...
I have to say that in the US, cops are oftentimes more relaxed than here. We once avoided a speeding-ticket because the driver was Canadian. The cop told him how to convert km/h to mp/h (although the Canadian guy's car had both the metric and the imperial speed on the speedometer) :-)

Here, if you get pulled over or stopped by the police, even if they just do routine-checks on all cars, you can expect a fine. I got pulled over during a routine check a couple of years ago. I wasn't speeding, so they couldn't cash in on that. They did breathalizer alcohol test - as I don't drink alcohol, they couldn't cash in on that, either. They then ran my driver's license - nothing. They then checked my tire-profile - nope, tires were new. Before they gave up, they made me hand over my service- and exhaust-documents. Took them to the cop-car for 10 minutes and triumphantly returned with big smiles on their faces, a 200 Fr. fine in hand - I had failed to get the car to the garage to get the emission-test on time. I told them that I already had an appointment but hadn't been able to get it done because I had been in the Rekrutenschule for the past 3 months. Their smiles grew even bigger, because I didn't have the 200 Fr. on me and they hit me with an additional 40 Fr. of administrative fees.
After that, I got another 100 Fr. fine from the army because they had held me up long enough that I checked-in too late at the barracks after my weekend-leave.

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Its just bad luck mate. Most likely the bloke they stopped before said all that to them so they were still fuming. Rozzers are rozzers all over the world, its at their discretion how difficult or lenient they want to be. Hard luck.
I do not believe that this is the case in Switzerland. No discretion at all.

In the UK I have experienced rudeness, sarcasm, and sometimes comedy from various cops and often got away with my sins.

In Switzerland I find the police impeccably polite but they do you every time.
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